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Title: Cigar Distributors on the West Coast?
Post by: metalhead y cigarguy on 11/18/2011 05:22 PM
So it seems like all the distributors I order cigars from are in New York or in Pennsylvania and all the big names are some where along the East Coast; (ie CI, Cigar.com, Holts, Thompson's, Famous, Cuban Crafters, etc.)

Are there any major distributors along the West Coast or the Mid-west?  :confused:
Title: RE: Cigar Distributors on the West Coast?
Post by: Ken Kelley on 11/18/2011 05:28 PM
Seems to me the east coast is closer to the source of supply and such. I don't think I would want to try to open such a bidness anyplace on the west coast given the situation out there and all. Midwest sounds good though since the tax burden would surely be more favorable than places like NY.
Title: RE: Cigar Distributors on the West Coast?
Post by: Brlesq on 11/18/2011 05:31 PM
Cigar King in Phoenix is a big one that I order from frequently.
Title: RE: Cigar Distributors on the West Coast?
Post by: nwb on 11/18/2011 05:34 PM
Simple fact of the matter - tobacco businesses on the west coast can't compete due to taxation.  The reason all the major players are in PA and FL is because they have zero tobacco tax.

With that being said, CigarKing out of Arizona is a decent place to buy.  So are some of the vendors in TX.
Title: RE: Cigar Distributors on the West Coast?
Post by: Jackal on 11/18/2011 05:43 PM
Quotenwb - 11/18/2011  3:34 PM

Simple fact of the matter - tobacco businesses on the west coast can't compete due to taxation.  The reason all the major players are in PA and FL is because they have zero tobacco tax.

With that being said, CigarKing out of Arizona is a decent place to buy.  So are some of the vendors in TX.

I am still trying to understand how NY online stores can survive.  Do they only get taxed if they sell within the state?
Title: RE: Cigar Distributors on the West Coast?
Post by: nwb on 11/18/2011 05:53 PM
What major online retailer is based out of NY?  Just curious.
Title: RE: Cigar Distributors on the West Coast?
Post by: horrido on 11/18/2011 06:47 PM
Quotenwb - 11/18/2011  6:34 PM

Simple fact of the matter - tobacco businesses on the west coast can't compete due to taxation.  The reason all the major players are in PA and FL is because they have zero tobacco tax.

With that being said, CigarKing out of Arizona is a decent place to buy.  So are some of the vendors in TX.

X2 tax laws are the killer and NWB is dead on.
Title: RE: Cigar Distributors on the West Coast?
Post by: metalhead y cigarguy on 11/18/2011 07:31 PM
Quotenwb - 11/18/2011  3:53 PM

What major online retailer is based out of NY?  Just curious.

BestCigarPrices.com was, but they just opened their new facility in Drums, PA.
Title: RE: Cigar Distributors on the West Coast?
Post by: wlfwalleye on 11/18/2011 07:38 PM
Quotenwb - 11/18/2011  5:53 PM

What major online retailer is based out of NY?  Just curious.

Cigars at Your Price
E-Gars
Nice Ash

3 different priced websites for the SAME company.
Title: RE: Cigar Distributors on the West Coast?
Post by: DonM on 11/18/2011 07:50 PM
Keep in mind most cigars coming into the US come through manufacturers based in Fl and the reason FL fights any tax on the cigar industry. Now cigarette smokers got shyt on this last year at $1 a pack and were whining. Sucks to be them
Title: RE: Cigar Distributors on the West Coast?
Post by: Brlesq on 11/18/2011 09:30 PM
QuoteJackal - 11/18/2011  6:43 PM
I am still trying to understand how NY online stores can survive.  Do they only get taxed if they sell within the state?

Yes.  Most of them won't even sell to us in-state guys.  If they do, they must tack on he 80% of retail tobacco tax + local 8.5% sales tax, effectively almost doubling the price of a cigar. :-(

My local B&M has a great website that most of you have not visited.  He also ships International.  You might want to check him out.  Great selection.  Customer service at the store is excellent, but I don't know how internet orders work with them.

 http://www.pipesandcigars.com/premiumcigars.html

Title: RE: Cigar Distributors on the West Coast?
Post by: Mozwik on 11/18/2011 11:01 PM
Quotemetalhead y cigarguy - 11/18/2011  3:22 PM

So it seems like all the distributors I order cigars from are in New York or in Pennsylvania and all the big names are some where along the East Coast; (ie CI, Cigar.com, Holts, Thompson's, Famous, Cuban Crafters, etc.)

Are there any major distributors along the West Coast or the Mid-west?  :confused:

Yeah, Jason, aka Jackal  :-)
Title: RE: Cigar Distributors on the West Coast?
Post by: CrazyK on 11/18/2011 11:08 PM
QuoteBrlesq - 11/18/2011  10:30 PM

QuoteJackal - 11/18/2011  6:43 PM
I am still trying to understand how NY online stores can survive.  Do they only get taxed if they sell within the state?

Yes.  Most of them won't even sell to us in-state guys.  If they do, they must tack on he 80% of retail tobacco tax + local 8.5% sales tax, effectively almost doubling the price of a cigar. :-(

My local B&M has a great website that most of you have not visited.  He also ships International.  You might want to check him out.  Great selection.  Customer service at the store is excellent, but I don't know how internet orders work with them.

 http://www.pipesandcigars.com/premiumcigars.html


Great selection and prices!
Title: RE: Cigar Distributors on the West Coast?
Post by: Jackal on 11/19/2011 04:40 AM
Quotenwb - 11/18/2011  3:53 PM

What major online retailer is based out of NY?  Just curious.

Arnold's is
Title: RE: Cigar Distributors on the West Coast?
Post by: nwb on 11/20/2011 07:37 PM
So Arnold's and Niceash/E-Gars/CAYP.  I'm on Arnold's email list, but their prices are not that great.  CAYP has fantastic prices - I wonder how they can sell so cheaply considering the tax burden?  I wonder if they have some sort of tax incentive working for them?

Either way, if I was determined to open an online cigar business, I would rather be located in a tobacco friendly state.  There aren't many on the west coast.