Cigar Geeks

QuoteVroomp - 8/1/2014  5:32 AM

Maybe no forum posts but, a heck of a lot of reviews! :bigthumbs:

QuoteBrlesq - 8/1/2014  7:36 AM
There isn't any problem with a non-poster sponsoring a pass.  All the risk is on him since he seeds it. I've said this before:  Not all members at CG want to participate in the forums.  In fact, there are many more that do NOT post than there are that post.  Our site offers lots of other membership advantages, such as the virtual humidor, the DB, cigar places, and passive knowledge from just reading posts.  Stefan has been here since last December and has contributed a lot to the site in other ways.  Let's be a bit more hospitable!

QuoteRemodelx15 - 8/1/2014  9:47 AM
I had been hesitant to get involved in the passes so I'm glad Stefan took the initiative to set one up.  He must read the forums even if he doesn't post since he invited me and knew I was a newb.  I'm sure it will be fun and I'll get my feet wet!

QuoteRemodelx15 - 8/1/2014  8:47 AM

I had been hesitant to get involved in the passes so I'm glad Stefan took the initiative to set one up.  He must read the forums even if he doesn't post since he invited me and knew I was a newb.  I'm sure it will be fun and I'll get my feet wet!

QuoteBrlesq - 8/1/2014  6:36 AM

Welcome to CG, Stefan!  Just a suggestion: You might want to list the initial cigars inside your pass so that others wanting to join can see what kind of cigars are expected.  When a pass is for newbs, it sometimes takes a little coaxing to get them to join and get their feet wet.

There isn't any problem with a non-poster sponsoring a pass.  All the risk is on him since he seeds it. I've said this before:  Not all members at CG want to participate in the forums.  In fact, there are many more that do NOT post than there are that post.  Our site offers lots of other membership advantages, such as the virtual humidor, the DB, cigar places, and passive knowledge from just reading posts.  Stefan has been here since last December and has contributed a lot to the site in other ways.  Let's be a bit more hospitable!

Quotes+j - 8/1/2014  6:02 PM


So many comments already -- thanks for the feedback everyone!

Regarding Kent's point, as strange as it may be, after being on this site for almost eight months I've finally remembered about the forums... honestly, until now I was only interested in making use of the site's database and review features to keep track of my personal smokes. Last night I came across a month-old message from DogMan (haven't been checking my Inbox either) reminding me to update my address for cigar bombs, so then I looked at my profile more carefully and discovered a link to the Cigar Pass lounge.

So please help me out with more info. I understand I should post a list of my seed cigars, but how exactly does this work? I imagine this like the telephone game, where you'd send a package to one person who then replaces a couple of sticks and forwards it to the next.

Gonna go now figure out my seed sticks. :)

Quotes+j - 8/6/2014  2:24 AM

The package currently weighs 2 pounds, which would cost about $10 when shipped with a prepaid USPS Priority Mail label. If necessary I could take the sticks out of the wooden box and get the package down to under 12 ounces so that it could ship with USPS First Class Mail for under $5.

QuoteChadboskie - 8/29/2014  10:37 AM

Am I the only one starting to get a little bit concerned?

QuoteBrlesq - 8/29/2014  1:30 PM  

QuoteChadboskie - 8/29/2014  10:37 AM  Am I the only one starting to get a little bit concerned?

Package arrived today.  As they said in Jaws,

 "We're going to need a bigger boat"  I'm going to buy a larger Tupperware container over the weekend.  May not have room to ship the smaller one back as well, so unless it has some sentimental value, I won't include it. (let me know if it does!)

I should be able to get this out Monday. 

Cheers!   :beer:  

Will post Puts N Takes and tracking info later today.  Upon closer inspection, noticed a distinct crease in the cello of the RY J Maduro Reserve Churchill.  Not a good sign.  I un-celloed it, and my fears were confirmed.  Got crunched at some point.  Unraveled completely upon removal.  Oh well, it happens.

(http://www.cigargeeks.com/gallery/35085-59E161E0-DA23-4B17-9729-31E4CFB47B8C.jpg) 

Puts and Takes posted. 

Noted that my intended recipient and a few others in this pass do not have their last names listed on their address. 

Any postal workers out there who can tell me if this might cause a delivery issue???  I've PM'ed Chas. for his last name.  Not sure if I should send it without a last name??? :?:  

QuoteCaveman Steve - 9/8/2014  5:09 AM

Will post Puts N Takes and tracking info later today.  Upon closer inspection, noticed a distinct crease in the cello of the RY J Maduro Reserve Churchill.  Not a good sign.  I un-celloed it, and my fears were confirmed.  Got crunched at some point.  Unraveled completely upon removal.  Oh well, it happens.

(http://www.cigargeeks.com/gallery/35085-59E161E0-DA23-4B17-9729-31E4CFB47B8C.jpg) 

QuoteCaveman Steve - 9/8/2014  4:26 PM

Puts and Takes posted. 

Noted that my intended recipient and a few others in this pass do not have their last names listed on their address. 

Any postal workers out there who can tell me if this might cause a delivery issue???  I've PM'ed Chas. for his last name.  Not sure if I should send it without a last name??? :?:  

QuoteStogieDad - 9/8/2014  4:39 PM  

QuoteCaveman Steve - 9/8/2014  4:26 PM  

Puts and Takes posted. 

Noted that my intended recipient and a few others in this pass do not have their last names listed on their address. 

Any postal workers out there who can tell me if this might cause a delivery issue???  I've PM'ed Chas. for his last name.  Not sure if I should send it without a last name??? :?:  

I have sent something to Stefan before without a last name and he got it fine, if that helps.

COOL!  Now I have someone else to blame if it doesn't arrive!  :dancing:   (LOL) 

Quotes+j - 9/8/2014  8:02 PM  Many thanks for the generous puts, Steve! I'm curious to hear whether the unraveled RyJ still tastes somewhat akin to a Maduro even without the wrapper.

I chose not to put a flame to it.  Tried that once with no success.  It's in Cigar heaven. 

Pass is on it's way to Chas.  (ccubed33)

9114901230801365807235

Could be there tomorrow, or maybe Monday.

:biggrin:  

QuoteCaveman Steve - 9/12/2014  3:01 PM

Pass is on it's way to Chas.  (ccubed33)

9114901230801365807235

Could be there tomorrow, or maybe Monday.

:biggrin:  

Quotesar127 - 9/30/2014  9:23 PM

I'm a noob here and this is not my pass so forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn. But there are more than 4000 cigars in this world and yet 5 of the 10 sticks in our pass are Rocky Patels. I understand that they are different blends or different vitolas but its still cigars from 1 of 100 brands. If I may throw out a suggestion, let's please try our best not to duplicate sticks so as to keep the stock as desirable to the later players as it was when you received it.

Quoteraize - 9/30/2014  9:47 PM

Tell ya what, in an attempt to appease the cigar gods, Ill stop by my local shop and pick up a couple different sticks to toss in. Here's a question though. I'll take one of the Edges out of rotation, leave the Corojo or leave the Maduro?

Quoteraize - 9/30/2014  11:47 PM  Tell ya what, in an attempt to appease the cigar gods, Ill stop by my local shop and pick up a couple different sticks to toss in. Here's a question though. I'll take one of the Edges out of rotation, leave the Corojo or leave the Maduro?

 Haha sorry if I came off as a dick,  it was in no way directed solely at you, it was a comment for the whole pass in general. The rest of us sure appreciate your efforts, you put some interesting stuff in there! Cant wait to play, thanks!

Quoteraize - 10/1/2014  10:17 AM

Too late, already ran to the store.  Its only a few blocks away and I was kind of wanting to try the Maduro Serie R as well as the Bareknuckle anyway.  Hopefully the puts will help step up the variety.  I'm still sneding it back to you s+j so you can make any adjustments you desire.

Quote05Venturer - 10/3/2014  7:13 PM

" To make things more interesting I've added some conditions to three of the new stogie entries; if you exchange any of these please don't forget to copy and paste the condition mentioned within the double angle quotation marks. "

And just when I thought things couldn't get more interesting :shy:  :biggrin:

Quotes+j - 10/3/2014  8:11 PM

And things are about to get less interesting as USPS is returning the package to the sender because of an "Insufficient Address". :mad:

Quoteraize - 10/4/2014  12:17 AM

apparently USPS doesnt know how to follow their own system. "deliver to address on package" somehow translates to "ignore address on package and return to sender". theres $14 down the drain...

Quotes+j - 10/4/2014  5:21 PM

Quoteraize - 10/4/2014  12:17 AM

apparently USPS doesnt know how to follow their own system. "deliver to address on package" somehow translates to "ignore address on package and return to sender". theres $14 down the drain...

There goes a Padilla 1926 No. 6 down the drain.  :mad:
And so much for me trying to be generous.

I'm so CONFUSED!  How did the box get back to Stefan so early anyway???  Never saw a complete flip of the contents before.  Interesting for sure,  I' guess we'll stay tuned......Same BAT time ......Same BAT channel.........(I'm showing my age with that little comment!!)

:biggrin:  

Quotes+j - 10/4/2014  8:15 PM

Here's another attempt to make things more interesting: I'm gonna start a contest -- two of the players with what I'll deem to be the most mouthwatering put(s) will each receive a mystery gift...
:goodluck:

QuoteCaveman Steve - 10/5/2014  8:28 AM

I'm so CONFUSED!  How did the box get back to Stefan so early anyway???  Never saw a complete flip of the contents before.  Interesting for sure,  I' guess we'll stay tuned......Same BAT time ......Same BAT channel.........(I'm showing my age with that little comment!!)

:biggrin:  

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Quote05Venturer - 10/5/2014  6:10 AM

Quotes+j - 10/4/2014  5:21 PM

Quoteraize - 10/4/2014  12:17 AM

apparently USPS doesnt know how to follow their own system. "deliver to address on package" somehow translates to "ignore address on package and return to sender". theres $14 down the drain...

There goes a Padilla 1926 No. 6 down the drain.  :mad:
And so much for me trying to be generous.

OK I just have to ask. Why would a cigar be "down the drain" because the package is being returned to sender?  Also why is it that generosity is shot down also??? Curious spectators want to know?   :confused:  :confused:

 Because Jason (raize) could have used the money he'll now spend on shipping the package again to buy a No. 6 instead. And I evidently meant to type Padron instead of Padilla. :hitme:

QuoteCaveman Steve - 10/5/2014  6:28 AM

I'm so CONFUSED!  How did the box get back to Stefan so early anyway???  Never saw a complete flip of the contents before.  Interesting for sure,  I' guess we'll stay tuned......Same BAT time ......Same BAT channel.........(I'm showing my age with that little comment!!)

:biggrin:  

 Steve and Kent, in case you missed it earlier I had offered to replace some of the not-so-exciting sticks with fresh meat :bump: (or fresh bread, depending on which you prefer).

Quotesar127 - 10/5/2014  9:48 PM

Sorry, it was my fault for instigating. Apologies to all.

But since we DID make that pit stop, can I just clarify something? Does the value of the Put have to be equal or greater to the Take, or are we just worried about the quantity exchanged in this pass?

 Ok, in case it wasn't clear from the description, I'm more interested that the puts be GOOD (if not great) CIGARS TO SMOKE than that they're of equal value. Basically just make sure you put in something you'd gladly smoke yourself (or even something you'd gladly purchase again) and not something you wanna get rid of.   :thanx:  

QuoteRammstein142 - 10/5/2014  9:14 PM

Jesus I don't pay attention to the forum for awhile and s**t gets crazy! So whats going on with the pass at this point?

Everything will be back to normal as soon as Jason gets back the package from USPS.
Folks: STAY CALM AND SMOKE ON.

Quote05Venturer - 10/6/2014  5:18 PM

OK I understand now thanks for the explanation  :bigthumbs:

QuoteSteve and Kent, in case you missed it earlier I had offered to replace some of the not-so-exciting sticks with fresh meat (or fresh bread, depending on which you prefer).

So these are "not so exciting cigars"?
CAO Brazilia Amazon Basin
Don Pepin Garcia (My Father Cigars) My Father Le Bijou 1922 Petit Robusto
Drew Estate Undercrown Robusto  

I must be pretty boring as these are 3 of my favorite cigars  :sad:

Quotes+j - 10/7/2014  12:55 AM

Quote05Venturer - 10/6/2014  5:18 PM

OK I understand now thanks for the explanation  :bigthumbs:

QuoteSteve and Kent, in case you missed it earlier I had offered to replace some of the not-so-exciting sticks with fresh meat (or fresh bread, depending on which you prefer).

So these are "not so exciting cigars"?
CAO Brazilia Amazon Basin
Don Pepin Garcia (My Father Cigars) My Father Le Bijou 1922 Petit Robusto
Drew Estate Undercrown Robusto  

I must be pretty boring as these are 3 of my favorite cigars  :sad:

I was of course talking about some of the other stogies, Kent.
Had you looked closer you'd also noticed that I substituted the CAO Toro with the Robusto and the Undercrown Robusto with the Toro...
The Le Bijou I tried once and wasn't too impressed, but I'm open to revisiting.

Regardless, I don't see what the big hoopla is. It actually makes more sense to have the package shipped back midway through the Pass as otherwise you're pretty much guaranteed to not touch most of those sticks; thinking of arranging it in the future to have the package shipped back several times actually.

Quotes+j - 10/7/2014  1:55 AM
It actually makes more sense to have the package shipped back midway through the Pass as otherwise you're pretty much guaranteed to not touch most of those sticks; thinking of arranging it in the future to have the package shipped back several times actually.

Quote05Venturer - 10/6/2014  8:18 PM

OK I understand now thanks for the explanation  :bigthumbs:


Steve and Kent, in case you missed it earlier I had offered to replace some of the not-so-exciting sticks with fresh meat (or fresh bread, depending on which you prefer).

So these are "not so exciting cigars"?
CAO Brazilia Amazon Basin
Don Pepin Garcia (My Father Cigars) My Father Le Bijou 1922 Petit Robusto
Drew Estate Undercrown Robusto  

I must be pretty boring as these are 3 of my favorite cigars  :sad:

Quotes+j - 10/7/2014  1:55 AM

Quote05Venturer - 10/6/2014  5:18 PM

OK I understand now thanks for the explanation  :bigthumbs:

QuoteSteve and Kent, in case you missed it earlier I had offered to replace some of the not-so-exciting sticks with fresh meat (or fresh bread, depending on which you prefer).

So these are "not so exciting cigars"?
CAO Brazilia Amazon Basin
Don Pepin Garcia (My Father Cigars) My Father Le Bijou 1922 Petit Robusto
Drew Estate Undercrown Robusto  

I must be pretty boring as these are 3 of my favorite cigars  :sad:

I was of course talking about some of the other stogies, Kent.
Had you looked closer you'd also noticed that I substituted the CAO Toro with the Robusto and the Undercrown Robusto with the Toro...
The Le Bijou I tried once and wasn't too impressed, but I'm open to revisiting.

Regardless, I don't see what the big hoopla is. It actually makes more sense to have the package shipped back midway through the Pass as otherwise you're pretty much guaranteed to not touch most of those sticks; thinking of arranging it in the future to have the package shipped back several times actually.

QuoteCigarPlace - 10/7/2014  10:44 AM

Where does this pass stand now and who is still left in play?

While I am definitely guilty of taking too long with a pass, as a pass moderator, I find this to be no bueno. Looks like it's time for the Poker Pass to come back.

Quotes+j - 10/7/2014  11:10 AM

I really don't get all the whining. Please go over the entire thread and pass exchanges first before making insinuations based on two-liners. You guys are making it sound like I was gonna take a bunch of goodies and replace them with crappy sticks which is not at all the case.
:notamused:  Not cool!

QuoteBrlesq - 10/7/2014  8:26 AM

Quotes+j - 10/7/2014  11:10 AM

I really don't get all the whining. Please go over the entire thread and pass exchanges first before making insinuations based on two-liners. You guys are making it sound like I was gonna take a bunch of goodies and replace them with crappy sticks which is not at all the case.
:notamused:  Not cool!

There's was no whining from me.  I asked you four (4) very specific questions that you have yet to answer.  Was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and see if there is something else going on in your head that isn't translating very well in your posts or in your actions, because THOSE so far have not been "cool".  Maybe your just so new at this that you fail to understand how passes work and you didn't bother reading the Pass Etiquette guidelines that we use on this forum.

This may be your pass, but if it doesn't deliver the proper pass experience for 27 other newbies on the site, then expect the FOGS to step in and say something about it so that those other newbies don't think this is the way we keep our house!

Stefan,

As a pass moderator, it is your job to know and follow the rules of the site regarding pass etiquette and OF COURSE the guys commenting aren't in the pass, because they are long standing veterans that respected pass etiquette by NOT joining a pass for newbies. I'm IN the pass and I'm a newbie and I feel that your actions were out of line. 

These veterans have paved the way for all of us and it's in their best interest to make sure that all of the newbies feel welcome and get a proper introduction to their group.

[/QUOTE]  You're right, I haven't read the Pass Etiquette guidelines thoroughly, but I also did not reference them in the description of this pass and therefore do not feel obliged to follow them.  And I agree that I should deliver a positive experience for everyone involved in the pass, but so far the only people complaining are people who are NOT in the pass, whose comments are now making one of the current participants feel uncomfortable about the whole thing.[/QUOTE]

IMHO, a newbie pass should educate newbs on how to FIND msrps and then also how to make proper trades based on those numbers. If that is not the case then I would like to take this opportunity to kindly bow out at this time. I appreciate you letting me play, hope there no hard feelings, till next time brother. 

Quotesar127 - 10/7/2014  9:19 AM

Quotes+j - 10/7/2014  10:42 AM  if I were to follow the etiquette I would also have to request that all the exchanges be of equal value, which is not a requirement with this pass.  

I am in this pass and this has been my problem since the beginning. When you let newbies who aren't versed in MSRP values of commonplace cigars trade willy nilly, the later players like me are basically at risk of receiving a box of dog rockets, through no fault of their own.  

IMHO, a newbie pass should educate newbs on how to FIND msrps and then also how to make proper trades based on those numbers. If that is not the case then I would like to take this opportunity to kindly bow out at this time. I appreciate you letting me play, hope there's no hard feelings, till next time brother.

 

QuoteCigarPlace - 10/7/2014  9:00 AM

Stefan,

As a pass moderator, it is your job to know and follow the rules of the site regarding pass etiquette and OF COURSE the guys commenting aren't in the pass, because they are long standing veterans that respected pass etiquette by NOT joining a pass for newbies. I'm IN the pass and I'm a newbie and I feel that your actions were out of line. 

These veterans have paved the way for all of us and it's in their best interest to make sure that all of the newbies feel welcome and get a proper introduction to their group.

QuoteDonM - 10/7/2014  9:48 AM

Gents,  this is a Newbie pass, and with that there may have been some things I would have done different. Those have been pointed out and I am sure Stefan has taken all of the comments in.

At this point, I would recommend letting Stefan take charge, rally the participants and continue with the pass.  Stefan, If you have any questions etc, I would be happy to help

QuoteChadboskie - 10/7/2014  2:47 PM

Wow. This fell apart quickly. I hope this isn't a typical thing in cigar passes

QuoteLonghorn - 10/7/2014  3:06 PM

Stefan, sounds like you have good intentions and it's your pass and you should run it the way you want.  Inviting only newer members into a pass with very loose requirements is a recipe for unintended consequences -  Geeks participating in their first pass don't have a reference point or the experience to fully understand the impact of the looser requirements.

Pass etiquettes exist because there have been hundreds of passes executed before yours... tried and true rules have been developed to ensure the experience is a good one for everyone in it.  The rules help to set a standard and expectation with each member.  

With the right rules and expectations set up front, you're almost "guaranteed to get your hands on those sticks..."

Good luck!

QuoteCigarPlace - 10/7/2014  7:44 AM

Where does this pass stand now and who is still left in play?

While I am definitely guilty of taking too long with a pass, as a pass moderator, I find this to be no bueno. Looks like it's time for the Poker Pass to come back.

QuoteRDF - 10/7/2014  7:11 PM

I'm one of the earlier participants (maybe a good thing).  Been sitting here watching this for the last few days and still can't figure out what I did that was so wrong.  Live & learn.

I was an earlier participant in this pass, and was invited to join by Stefan.  Although I wouldn't call myself a "Newbie", I decided to participate anyway, and figured I could set a good example for the true "noobs" in the pass.  I certainly don't have the street cred that some others on this site do, but I think I have a pretty good feel for how a pass should go. 

Personally, I don't think for a minute that there were any malicious, or greedy intentions by our moderator (Stefan) in this pass.  Perhaps a bit of ignorance at worst. I do think that Puts and Takes should match up to some degree in value, and I agree with the Pass Etiquette Guidelines.  I usually try to add more than I take for the sole purpose that I want the moderator to benefit at the END of the pass.  The moderator has an important role to play and sacrifices quite a bit of time to run a pass, and in my view, should be rewarded to some degree.

I agree with Don M that Stefan, as Moderator should soak all the feedback in and continue the pass at his discretion, but if there are going to be new "rules", they should be laid out very clearly.  This should be fun right!? 

:dancing:  

Quotekxthor911 - 10/7/2014  5:40 PM

Stefan, please allow me to impose, you seem like a honest gent. For one unless you know people here please don't use the term curmudgeon, your likely to offend some people and that will start a very heated debate, I would know as I made light of this once. So learn from my mistake there, also the rules are there for everyone, so maybe you should take part in a newbie pass ran by a seasoned vet before starting your own like many other people have done so there is no confusion. I'm not trying to step on any toes here just adding my two cents, you can listen or not, hope you enjoy the rest of your pass.

QuoteRDF - 10/7/2014  8:11 PM  I'm one of the earlier participants (maybe a good thing).  Been sitting here watching this for the last few days and still can't figure out what I did that was so wrong.  Live & learn.

Judging by your Puts and Takes, you did just FINE! 

Quote05Venturer - 10/7/2014  5:16 PM

QuoteRDF - 10/7/2014  7:11 PM

I'm one of the earlier participants (maybe a good thing).  Been sitting here watching this for the last few days and still can't figure out what I did that was so wrong.  Live & learn.

I don't think YOU did anything wrong, seemed like more of a new moderator issue.

Quoteclami - 10/9/2014  1:56 PM

Sorry, I would like to pull out of this pass as well.  I am pretty confused by all of the forum action, and being a uber-newb at passes, feeling pretty intimidated.  Thanks anyway.  Sorry, hope that does not throw things off for anyone else.

QuoteStogieDad - 10/10/2014  4:38 PM

I know I am obviously not in on this pass, so I am not passing any judgement on anything.  I just want to say, don't get intimidated and scared of passes.  They are one of the most fun things about the site, and it is not hard or time consuming.  I have been in tons since I have been here, and never had a problem.  Nothing due to this pass, I am just saying, don't get scared off of passes over a few posts.  Stay involved.

Quotenwb - 10/11/2014  11:48 AM

QuoteStogieDad - 10/10/2014  4:38 PM

I know I am obviously not in on this pass, so I am not passing any judgement on anything.  I just want to say, don't get intimidated and scared of passes.  They are one of the most fun things about the site, and it is not hard or time consuming.  I have been in tons since I have been here, and never had a problem.  Nothing due to this pass, I am just saying, don't get scared off of passes over a few posts.  Stay involved.

Completely agree.

Although I missed much of the back and forth, we all can learn from what has happened here.  It shouldn't be seen as a reason to forego passes, just a learning experience.

Quoteraize - 10/12/2014  1:08 AM

alright so if this isnt out for delivery by noon on monday, im going to stop by the post office and raise hell... no reason for the level of service this parcel has received...

...the package was finally found by Tom Hanks in Castaway.  WILSON!   

QuoteChadboskie - 10/21/2014  11:44 AM

So is this pass over? What happened?

QuoteChadboskie - 10/21/2014  1:44 PM

So is this pass over? What happened?

Quote05Venturer - 10/21/2014  3:06 PM

QuoteChadboskie - 10/21/2014  1:44 PM

So is this pass over? What happened?

:-0

Looks like 16 members left plus any more that join in along the way plus 5 or 6 more trips back to the moderator it should finish up around June 2015.  :lmao:  :biggrin:

Quoteraize - 10/21/2014  7:55 PM

yeah sorry again for the delay.  i shipped it out priority via a self service kiosk in chicago's downtown location.  the kiosk didnt like s+j's address so i told it to deliver as addressed.  a couple days later it got pushed back to his post office as undeliverable. i didnt get it back until about a week a half later. it literally took 17 days round trip.  got it sent out yesterday and it ought to be in Eric's hands tomorrow.

Quote05Venturer - 11/7/2014  10:55 AM  Looks like another pass gone missing in Stuart FL  :confused:  Was delivered a week ago.

QuoteCigarPlace - 11/7/2014  9:56 AM

Quote05Venturer - 11/7/2014  10:55 AM  Looks like another pass gone missing in Stuart FL  :confused:  Was delivered a week ago.

Due to a mix-up with our neighbor's mailbox, I didn't receive this until yesterday afternoon. The La Gloria Cubana is in bad shape but the rest of the cigars seem to be okay. I can send this out today or wait until Monday so the cigars don't sit in a depot over the weekend.

QuoteMojo66 - 11/12/2014  11:17 AM

That is the strangest pass I have seen since joining CG.  It's a bit like a soap opera isn't it. I am not a part of this since I can't be called a Newb anymore (that's too bad) but have been following it nonetheless.

I am not pointing my finger at anybody in particular here and it's not my place to do so anyway but...

To me it seems the Moderator did not have bad intentions but could have been clearer from the start as to what rules would apply or not. But then there is the attitude of many Geeks I just don't understand. Not posting after receiving the box, whole weeks passing with no news from the Geek in play, sarcasm, irony... Wow so much drama for something that just should be plain fun.

USPS seems to be responsible for some of the drama but the delivery service can't be blamed for the general feeling of this one.

To all members that never played in a Pass, please know that this is not how they usually run. Passes are fun, nobody looses as everyone learns about new cigars, gets to interact with other members and, in the end, get to smoke new stuff.

I do hope the members in play kick it up a notch and try and make the best of this pass that, if I'm not mistaken, was founded on good intentions. I do think that with good intentions from all involved, this will turn out to be a good pass even though it is true it did not follow CG's rules and etiquette.

I think the most important rules not being followed here is value for value, HTF for HTF and so on. Members in a pass must feel they'll have a shot at good cigars when their turn comes and they, in turn, must make sure the next geeks in play will have the same opportunity they did by making balanced puts and takes.

Come on fellow brothers and sisters, this can still be enjoyable, it all depends on you.

QuoteMojo66 - 11/12/2014  9:17 AM

That is the strangest pass I have seen since joining CG.  It's a bit like a soap opera isn't it. I am not a part of this since I can't be called a Newb anymore (that's too bad) but have been following it nonetheless.

I am not pointing my finger at anybody in particular here and it's not my place to do so anyway but...

To me it seems the Moderator did not have bad intentions but could have been clearer from the start as to what rules would apply or not. But then there is the attitude of many Geeks I just don't understand. Not posting after receiving the box, whole weeks passing with no news from the Geek in play, sarcasm, irony... Wow so much drama for something that just should be plain fun.

USPS seems to be responsible for some of the drama but the delivery service can't be blamed for the general feeling of this one.

To all members that never played in a Pass, please know that this is not how they usually run. Passes are fun, nobody looses as everyone learns about new cigars, gets to interact with other members and, in the end, get to smoke new stuff.

I do hope the members in play kick it up a notch and try and make the best of this pass that, if I'm not mistaken, was founded on good intentions. I do think that with good intentions from all involved, this will turn out to be a good pass even though it is true it did not follow CG's rules and etiquette.

I think the most important rules not being followed here is value for value, HTF for HTF and so on. Members in a pass must feel they'll have a shot at good cigars when their turn comes and they, in turn, must make sure the next geeks in play will have the same opportunity they did by making balanced puts and takes.

Come on fellow brothers and sisters, this can still be enjoyable, it all depends on you.

Quotesar127 - 11/12/2014  4:01 PM

Received it today, thanks Jessica. Will be posting puts and takes tomorrow and shipping by the weekend.

Scott - Heads up buddy, she's a comin' your way!

Quotesar127 - 11/14/2014  12:56 AM

Puts and takes have been submitted. Now waiting on SCOTTVODKA's reply to my PM before transitioning.

TAKES:-
$1.50 - John Bull Crown Corona
$1.90 - JR Alternative RP '90 Churchill
$2.50 - El Mejor Robusto
$2.50 - Partagas Cifuentes Diciembre
$2.80 - 5 Vegas Classic Robusto
$3.50 - Ramon Bueso Odyssey Robusto
$5.00 - Cubita Quesada Nouveau Gordo

PUTS:-
$3.15 - Tatuaje Serie P Short Robusto
$3.60 - H Upmann Cameroon Robusto
$3.85 - Perdomo Lot 23 Robusto
$3.95 - Henry Clay Toro
$4.20 - Illusione "r"
$4.50 - Tatuaje Tattoo Caballeros
$6.10 - 7-20-4 Robusto
$6.20 - KFC Fat Molly
$6.20 - San Lotano Habano Toro
$6.50 - Fratello Corona
$6.50 - Macanudo Gold Star

I tried to follow your rules there Stefan. A couple of the takes were below the $3 pass minimum, but trading them with my first 7 puts should get them there and also stay close to the 20% margin you asked for. Thanks for letting me play! Till next time.

Quotesar127 - 11/13/2014  11:56 PM

Puts and takes have been submitted. Now waiting on SCOTTVODKA's reply to my PM before transitioning.

TAKES:-
$1.50 - John Bull Crown Corona
$1.90 - JR Alternative RP '90 Churchill
$2.50 - El Mejor Robusto
$2.50 - Partagas Cifuentes Diciembre
$2.80 - 5 Vegas Classic Robusto
$3.50 - Ramon Bueso Odyssey Robusto
$5.00 - Cubita Quesada Nouveau Gordo

PUTS:-
$3.15 - Tatuaje Serie P Short Robusto
$3.60 - H Upmann Cameroon Robusto
$3.85 - Perdomo Lot 23 Robusto
$3.95 - Henry Clay Toro
$4.20 - Illusione "r"
$4.50 - Tatuaje Tattoo Caballeros
$6.10 - 7-20-4 Robusto
$6.20 - KFC Fat Molly
$6.20 - San Lotano Habano Toro
$6.50 - Fratello Corona
$6.50 - Macanudo Gold Star

I tried to follow your rules there Stefan. A couple of the takes were below the $3 pass minimum, but trading them with my first 7 puts should get them there and also stay close to the 20% margin you asked for. Thanks for letting me play! Till next time.

Quote05Venturer - 11/14/2014  3:48 PM

Quotesar127 - 11/13/2014  11:56 PM

Puts and takes have been submitted. Now waiting on SCOTTVODKA's reply to my PM before transitioning.

TAKES:-
$1.50 - John Bull Crown Corona
$1.90 - JR Alternative RP '90 Churchill
$2.50 - El Mejor Robusto
$2.50 - Partagas Cifuentes Diciembre
$2.80 - 5 Vegas Classic Robusto
$3.50 - Ramon Bueso Odyssey Robusto
$5.00 - Cubita Quesada Nouveau Gordo

PUTS:-
$3.15 - Tatuaje Serie P Short Robusto
$3.60 - H Upmann Cameroon Robusto
$3.85 - Perdomo Lot 23 Robusto
$3.95 - Henry Clay Toro
$4.20 - Illusione "r"
$4.50 - Tatuaje Tattoo Caballeros
$6.10 - 7-20-4 Robusto
$6.20 - KFC Fat Molly
$6.20 - San Lotano Habano Toro
$6.50 - Fratello Corona
$6.50 - Macanudo Gold Star

I tried to follow your rules there Stefan. A couple of the takes were below the $3 pass minimum, but trading them with my first 7 puts should get them there and also stay close to the 20% margin you asked for. Thanks for letting me play! Till next time.

Nice Rob, way to "dewater"the pass.  :thumbsup:

Quotesar127 - 11/13/2014  9:56 PM

Puts and takes have been submitted. Now waiting on SCOTTVODKA's reply to my PM before transitioning.

TAKES:-
$1.50 - John Bull Crown Corona
$1.90 - JR Alternative RP '90 Churchill
$2.50 - El Mejor Robusto
$2.50 - Partagas Cifuentes Diciembre
$2.80 - 5 Vegas Classic Robusto
$3.50 - Ramon Bueso Odyssey Robusto
$5.00 - Cubita Quesada Nouveau Gordo

PUTS:-
$3.15 - Tatuaje Serie P Short Robusto
$3.60 - H Upmann Cameroon Robusto
$3.85 - Perdomo Lot 23 Robusto
$3.95 - Henry Clay Toro
$4.20 - Illusione "r"
$4.50 - Tatuaje Tattoo Caballeros
$6.10 - 7-20-4 Robusto
$6.20 - KFC Fat Molly
$6.20 - San Lotano Habano Toro
$6.50 - Fratello Corona
$6.50 - Macanudo Gold Star

I tried to follow your rules there Stefan. A couple of the takes were below the $3 pass minimum, but trading them with my first 7 puts should get them there and also stay close to the 20% margin you asked for. Thanks for letting me play! Till next time.

QuoteItalianGuido - 11/14/2014  10:02 AM

I would also suggest skipping, and If he comes back, you can always throw him back in, if you want

Quotesar127 - 11/14/2014  11:40 PM

10-4 Stefan, Scottvodka skipped, and PM sent to DMonee.

Quotesar127 - 11/15/2014  12:02 PM

cortod started this thread (http://www.cigargeeks.com/index.php?topic=31211.0) where I think he was reffering to this pass. Stefan let me know if you want to accomodate him. I PMed Dmonee yesterday and rwilliams210 today. No response from either yet so it's up to you. 

Quotes+j - 11/17/2014  3:05 AM

It appears that all the other geeks in the South are sound asleep and slow to react... how about you send the package back to me, Rob, and after cuddling it and dipping my fingers in it I'll forward it to the geeks in the West who apparently are more up to speed -- please ship it out this Monday if possible.
Thanks!

Quotes+j - 11/17/2014  2:05 AM

It appears that all the other geeks in the South are sound asleep and slow to react... how about you send the package back to me, Rob, and after cuddling it and dipping my fingers in it I'll forward it to the geeks in the West who apparently are more up to speed -- please ship it out this Monday if possible.
Thanks!

QuoteBrlesq - 11/17/2014  7:39 AM

The moderator's continued "dipping his fingers" into the pass is just bullshyt!  For the rest of you newbies still in the pass, this is NOT how passes are supposed to work and you should all have the benefit of selecting some of the cigars put in by other members as the pass progresses.  It is not meant to be a coffer for the moderator to pilfer from when he sees some good cigars in there.   This is rude and disrespectful to all of the pass members.  No other pass has ever gone this route, on Cigar Geeks or on any of the other half a dozen cigar forums that I am on.

Many of us veteran members have tried top hold our tongues on this, but I for one have had enough watching the newbies get taken advantage of here.

Cortod - 9405 9036 9930 0290 2436 58 (https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction!input.action?tLabels=9405903699300290243658) 

Quotes+j - 11/14/2014  8:56 PM

Many thanks Rob; I hope you'll enjoy your takes -- and I want that Macanudo Gold Star!!!! :drool:

QuoteCigarPlace - 11/17/2014  6:42 AM

Okay guys. I know I took longer with the last pass than normally allowed for a CG pass, however, being called "slow to respond" by the Pass Mod when HIS OWN RULES state that we have a week to turn the package around is ridiculous. Can't wait to see which cigars I dropped in get cherry picked for his pleasure while replacing them with cigars of a lesser quality.

I'll announce now that I am opening the next CigarPlace sponsored pass. I'll go create it now, we'll hold it open for a few days and I'll get the package on it's way before this week's end.

QuoteDonM - 11/17/2014  6:46 AM

I have to agree with Kent, Chuck and Bruce on this subject.   Several senior members have made suggestions to Stefan to keep this pass in line with standard practices of the Cigar Geeks Pass System.  While it is Stefan's pass, I can't stand by and let this pass get out of hand and put bad practices into play for future passes.

    We have had a few hiccups on passes through the years, and have managed to police ourselves ensuring that passes are held to a standard so that present and future members can enjoy participating in a pass.  I see this pass as one that needs some policing in order to uphold a standard within the Pass system.

Quotes+j - 11/17/2014  2:27 PM

QuoteDonM - 11/17/2014  6:46 AM

I have to agree with Kent, Chuck and Bruce on this subject.   Several senior members have made suggestions to Stefan to keep this pass in line with standard practices of the Cigar Geeks Pass System.  While it is Stefan's pass, I can't stand by and let this pass get out of hand and put bad practices into play for future passes.

    We have had a few hiccups on passes through the years, and have managed to police ourselves ensuring that passes are held to a standard so that present and future members can enjoy participating in a pass.  I see this pass as one that needs some policing in order to uphold a standard within the Pass system.

So some of the (same) old timers who aren't in the pass are complaining again . . .  :blahblah:  . . .  :banghead: . . .  :censored:
To paraphrase something you told me in the past, Don, "good rules make for good practices", so if you're worried about "bad" practices creeping into your own pass then just make sure to have clear rules in the future and restrictions on who you'll take in (which actually seems to be the case for most "advanced-level" passes anyway).

Please answer this for me so that we can settle it once and for all: can I set my own rules for my pass or not?

Quotecortod - 11/17/2014  12:48 PM

Thanks, I will stay on it, no nappin.

Quote05Venturer - 11/17/2014  12:50 PM

Quotes+j - 11/17/2014  2:27 PM

QuoteDonM - 11/17/2014  6:46 AM

I have to agree with Kent, Chuck and Bruce on this subject.   Several senior members have made suggestions to Stefan to keep this pass in line with standard practices of the Cigar Geeks Pass System.  While it is Stefan's pass, I can't stand by and let this pass get out of hand and put bad practices into play for future passes.

    We have had a few hiccups on passes through the years, and have managed to police ourselves ensuring that passes are held to a standard so that present and future members can enjoy participating in a pass.  I see this pass as one that needs some policing in order to uphold a standard within the Pass system.

So some of the (same) old timers who aren't in the pass are complaining again . . .  :blahblah:  . . .  :banghead: . . .  :censored:
To paraphrase something you told me in the past, Don, "good rules make for good practices", so if you're worried about "bad" practices creeping into your own pass then just make sure to have clear rules in the future and restrictions on who you'll take in (which actually seems to be the case for most "advanced-level" passes anyway).

Please answer this for me so that we can settle it once and for all: can I set my own rules for my pass or not?

This "not so old" old timer would vote that a pass within Cigar Geeks should use the Cigar Geeks Pass Etiquette , that would avoid all of this IMO. Take it for what it's worth but I think we all just want these passes to run smooth and everyone to be able to try out a few different sticks.
IMO a pass should never go back to the moderator for him/her to pull sticks and then move it along. The pass should be about everyone involved, not someone getting the pass back to pick out what they like then move it along to the rest of the members. Again this is all just my opinion and the way I think, not necessarily right or wrong.
Thanks :bright:

Quotes+j - 11/17/2014  3:27 PM

QuoteDonM - 11/17/2014  6:46 AM

I have to agree with Kent, Chuck and Bruce on this subject.   Several senior members have made suggestions to Stefan to keep this pass in line with standard practices of the Cigar Geeks Pass System.  While it is Stefan's pass, I can't stand by and let this pass get out of hand and put bad practices into play for future passes.

    We have had a few hiccups on passes through the years, and have managed to police ourselves ensuring that passes are held to a standard so that present and future members can enjoy participating in a pass.  I see this pass as one that needs some policing in order to uphold a standard within the Pass system.

So some of the (same) old timers who aren't in the pass are complaining again . . .  :blahblah:  . . .  :banghead: . . .  :censored:
To paraphrase something you told me in the past, Don, "good rules make for good practices", so if you're worried about "bad" practices creeping into your own pass then just make sure to have clear rules in the future and restrictions on who you'll take in (which actually seems to be the case for most "advanced-level" passes anyway).

Please answer this for me so that we can settle it once and for all: can I set my own rules for my pass or not?

QuoteDonM - 11/17/2014  1:05 PM

Quotes+j - 11/17/2014  3:27 PM

QuoteDonM - 11/17/2014  6:46 AM

I have to agree with Kent, Chuck and Bruce on this subject.   Several senior members have made suggestions to Stefan to keep this pass in line with standard practices of the Cigar Geeks Pass System.  While it is Stefan's pass, I can't stand by and let this pass get out of hand and put bad practices into play for future passes.

    We have had a few hiccups on passes through the years, and have managed to police ourselves ensuring that passes are held to a standard so that present and future members can enjoy participating in a pass.  I see this pass as one that needs some policing in order to uphold a standard within the Pass system.

So some of the (same) old timers who aren't in the pass are complaining again . . .  :blahblah:  . . .  :banghead: . . .  :censored:
To paraphrase something you told me in the past, Don, "good rules make for good practices", so if you're worried about "bad" practices creeping into your own pass then just make sure to have clear rules in the future and restrictions on who you'll take in (which actually seems to be the case for most "advanced-level" passes anyway).

Please answer this for me so that we can settle it once and for all: can I set my own rules for my pass or not?

The CG Pass System has worked fine with all of the " Old Timers " and I can not speak for everyone, but those standards in Pass Etiquette are in place so that things like  "cherry Picking " or " dipping your fingers "  into the pass in the middle of the pass order do not happen.  

I am not sure why you singled me out, if you look at previous posts I am not the only one concerned with the way you have moderated this pass, IMO it has been a Cluster f*#k.  

Go on with your pass, Stefan.  I will tell you that while I cannot speak for others here, I personally will not participate in any future pass of which you are a participant.  No offense to any future moderator, but I do not want to be a part of any of the shenanigans that you have pulled in this pass.  

With that I am out of this one

Quotes+j - 11/17/2014  3:27 PM
But please answer this for me so that we can settle it once and for all: can I set my own rules for my pass or not?

QuoteBrlesq - 11/17/2014  1:26 PM

Quotes+j - 11/17/2014  3:27 PM
But please answer this for me so that we can settle it once and for all: can I set my own rules for my pass or not?

If you state the rules up front clearly and unambiguously before anybody joins your pass, then folks can make a decision as to whether they want to participate or not.

But the answer to your question today as it relates to this pass is NO, you can't make your own rules now, because you keep changing the rules mid-pass.  What you have posted as your "rules" today looks nothing like your original summary.  And posting "I reserve the right to change the rules" is just a smart-azz remark.  Furthermore, despite your statement that "you have made an effort to consider and act on comments from current members of this pass", we've all heard from members that are UNHAPPY with the pass-of-ever-changing-rules and the fact that you bring it back home mid-pass to harvest the goodies.

You may think that you're smarter than all of us, and that you can thumb your nose at our established community standards, but we have had characters like you come and go before, and we're still here.  You want to be part of this great community, that's fine, but taking advantage of other new members will not be tolerated.  Just try this crap with some of us "grumpy fellow Geeks" and see how far you get.  

Quotesar127 - 11/17/2014  5:09 PM

I think the SIMPLE SOLUTION is just to disallow unestablished members from hosting passes. Maybe requiring participation in 3-5 passes along with a few other things. Even as a new member eager to host my own pass, I don't believe that's very much to ask.

S+j: My interactions with you on threads and PMs have been pleasant thus far so I hope you will accept my comment in the same way. Forums like this that are self moderated allow for great freedom but rely on the basic principle of listening to your elders. It's nothing personal,  its nothing new, its just how it is,  here and on other forums as well. What you see is one side of it.  The other side of it is when unfortunate well meaning newbies get swindled by members in "under moderated" forums. The problem you are facing is that there isn't a bible of rules here at geeks, so when older guys see things that should not be, they bring it up as needed, which then can be mistaken for bias.

All of that to say, please just take a step back, take a breath and just go along while ur still new. Again, nothing personal, no hard feelings, but your just getting your feet wet, just give it some time. Afterall their long cultivated community is why you even have this opportunity in the first place right? So lastly, I want you to remember that this is a newbie pass thread.  So the best way to show that you took my advice in stride is to not write anymore loooong responses that could confuse participants further, and just keep it short and sweet from now on.

Just my 2 cents.

Quotecortod - 11/19/2014  12:03 PM

I am waiting on the package but wanted to reach out for any suggestions. I like all types of bodies and not just with my women. I love a mild bodied cigar in the morning but prefer full bodied with a whiskey. I tend to go for Dominican but i noticed the DR's a higher priced point in the pass. Dont worry fellas, I wont be greedy. I am going to add puts that I love like Perdomo Champange, La Aurora Preferidos, Flathead V660, etc, which I really like and are smoked quite often. Anybody see anything in the pass right now that they just love?

Have just read this entire thread for the first time,.........  :-0

All I can say is WOW! :nono:  

QuoteVroomp - 11/19/2014  5:19 PM

Have just read this entire thread for the first time,.........  :-0

 

All I can say is WOW! :nono:  

 

Quotecortod - 11/19/2014  3:07 PM

Ok, I completed the takes and puts so I reached out to the Texans, guess I will give it sometime for a response but Im ready to keep it moving.

Quotecortod - 11/19/2014  9:03 AM
. . . .  I am going to add puts that I love . . . which I really like and are smoked quite often . . . .

QuoteStogieDad - 11/19/2014  9:06 AM

Quotecortod - 11/19/2014  12:03 PM

I am waiting on the package but wanted to reach out for any suggestions. I like all types of bodies and not just with my women. I love a mild bodied cigar in the morning but prefer full bodied with a whiskey. I tend to go for Dominican but i noticed the DR's a higher priced point in the pass. Dont worry fellas, I wont be greedy. I am going to add puts that I love like Perdomo Champange, La Aurora Preferidos, Flathead V660, etc, which I really like and are smoked quite often. Anybody see anything in the pass right now that they just love?

Not in the pass, but if you are looking for suggestions...

The Four Kicks is a great anytime of day cigar for me, as is the Herrera Esteli.  Then the Illusione R and Tatuaje Tattoo are some fantastic smokes that if you love, are very budget friendly.  Just some ideas.

Haha, brother you totally missed the whole point of all the discussion. To summarize AGAIN, you don't get the pass back till everyone else has gone. I suggest you get on the horn and start waking people up through PMs. 

If you take the pass back early, you can certainly expect negative feedback from me. 

Quotesar127 - 11/19/2014  5:01 PM

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  6:40 PM  I would like however to get the package back around Thanksgiving Day.  :cigarman:

Haha, brother you totally missed the whole point of all the discussion. To summarize AGAIN, you don't get the pass back till everyone else has gone. I suggest you get on the horn and start waking people up through PMs. 

If you take the pass back early, you can certainly expect negative feedback from me. 

 

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  8:44 PM

I'm glad to see that Brad has started The Traditional Newbie Pass (http://www.cigargeeks.com/index.php?action=cigpass;area=gen;boxpass_id=209). Perhaps it might be best to also change the name of this pass to avoid future confusion?

Quoterwilliams210 - 11/19/2014  5:57 PM

I'm still in the pass and ready for you to send that precious box to Texas...

QuoteBrlesq - 11/19/2014  6:01 PM

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  8:44 PM

I'm glad to see that Brad has started The Traditional Newbie Pass (http://www.cigargeeks.com/index.php?action=cigpass;area=gen;boxpass_id=209). Perhaps it might be best to also change the name of this pass to avoid future confusion?

I don't think so.  Doubt there will be any confusion between a traditional pass and this thing you are running.  Most sites wouldn't have tolerated this so long . . . you should just finish this and move on.  (And that's just not my opinion . . . join our herf and there are plenty of members that will share that same sentiment with you.)

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  8:02 PM

QuoteBrlesq - 11/19/2014  6:01 PM

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  8:44 PM

I'm glad to see that Brad has started The Traditional Newbie Pass (http://www.cigargeeks.com/index.php?action=cigpass;area=gen;boxpass_id=209). Perhaps it might be best to also change the name of this pass to avoid future confusion?

I don't think so.  Doubt there will be any confusion between a traditional pass and this thing you are running.  Most sites wouldn't have tolerated this so long . . . you should just finish this and move on.  (And that's just not my opinion . . . join our herf and there are plenty of members that will share that same sentiment with you.)

Trust me, I can't wait to move on and start The Joker Pass... and I have to say that I really appreciate the laissez-faire attitude of the site administrators.

Quote05Venturer - 11/19/2014  6:22 PM

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  8:02 PM

QuoteBrlesq - 11/19/2014  6:01 PM

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  8:44 PM

I'm glad to see that Brad has started The Traditional Newbie Pass (http://www.cigargeeks.com/index.php?action=cigpass;area=gen;boxpass_id=209). Perhaps it might be best to also change the name of this pass to avoid future confusion?

I don't think so.  Doubt there will be any confusion between a traditional pass and this thing you are running.  Most sites wouldn't have tolerated this so long . . . you should just finish this and move on.  (And that's just not my opinion . . . join our herf and there are plenty of members that will share that same sentiment with you.)

Trust me, I can't wait to move on and start The Joker Pass... and I have to say that I really appreciate the laissez-faire attitude of the site administrators.

I am sure members will be lining up for miles to hop on another one of your passes

QuoteTed - 11/19/2014  6:38 PM

Wow. Strange read.

Quotenirab - 11/19/2014  9:37 PM  A pass started by someone, and then demands to have it sent to them before it ends??? If it smells like a rat...not cool.  :shades:

QuoteSparklePony - 11/19/2014  6:43 PM

Quotenirab - 11/19/2014  9:37 PM  A pass started by someone, and then demands to have it sent to them before it ends??? If it smells like a rat...not cool.  :shades:

And it's the second (or was it third?) time he wants it back!  :crazy:

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  9:26 PM

Quote05Venturer - 11/19/2014  6:22 PM

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  8:02 PM

QuoteBrlesq - 11/19/2014  6:01 PM

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  8:44 PM

I'm glad to see that Brad has started The Traditional Newbie Pass (http://www.cigargeeks.com/index.php?action=cigpass;area=gen;boxpass_id=209). Perhaps it might be best to also change the name of this pass to avoid future confusion?

I don't think so.  Doubt there will be any confusion between a traditional pass and this thing you are running.  Most sites wouldn't have tolerated this so long . . . you should just finish this and move on.  (And that's just not my opinion . . . join our herf and there are plenty of members that will share that same sentiment with you.)

Trust me, I can't wait to move on and start The Joker Pass... and I have to say that I really appreciate the laissez-faire attitude of the site administrators.

I am sure members will be lining up for miles to hop on another one of your passes

After this whole experience I will make sure to be more selective about who I'll take in, thank you.

QuoteBrlesq - 11/19/2014  6:46 PM

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  9:26 PM

Quote05Venturer - 11/19/2014  6:22 PM

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  8:02 PM

QuoteBrlesq - 11/19/2014  6:01 PM

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  8:44 PM

I'm glad to see that Brad has started The Traditional Newbie Pass (http://www.cigargeeks.com/index.php?action=cigpass;area=gen;boxpass_id=209). Perhaps it might be best to also change the name of this pass to avoid future confusion?

I don't think so.  Doubt there will be any confusion between a traditional pass and this thing you are running.  Most sites wouldn't have tolerated this so long . . . you should just finish this and move on.  (And that's just not my opinion . . . join our herf and there are plenty of members that will share that same sentiment with you.)

Trust me, I can't wait to move on and start The Joker Pass... and I have to say that I really appreciate the laissez-faire attitude of the site administrators.

I am sure members will be lining up for miles to hop on another one of your passes

After this whole experience I will make sure to be more selective about who I'll take in, thank you.

Depends if you're not black-balled by then, huh?  You've already arranged to have the pass sent back to you next, so just take it and go away.  You will not win this battle.  :shootme:

Quotenirab - 11/19/2014  7:07 PM

Sorry, but this pass is not in the spirit of CG. Anyone who stays in this pass, under these conditions, is foolish. I've been on here for a bit now, and this is not how passes are done. There are personal motives going on here, and they are not right. Stefan, you are digging yourself into a hole, and burying yourself. It's a shame that you just don't get it. There are some old timers on here who are trying to help you out, and you refuse to listen. You  are living on borrowed time here my friend.  :notamused:

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  7:42 PM  

QuoteTed - 11/19/2014  6:38 PM  Wow. Strange read.

You gotta admit, quite entertaining though from the sidelines...

Personally, I'd be ashamed.

I've only participated in one pass here so far http://www.cigargeeks.com/index.php?action=cigpass;area=gen;boxpass_id=177), and it was designed to educate new players. The veterans that participated in that pass were truly selfless, guaranteed to have LOST on the balance sheet. I still feel like I owe these guys. Was a fantastic experience that one day I'd like to repay by hosting or helping with another newb pass.

Not one moderated by you though.

Your motivations seem different. You say "newbies only", and yet you provide an experience that seems to be scaring people away from what should be a fantastic experience. You even stated yourself that you believed the motivation for a pass moderator should be to get more sticks. Following along on a sampling of the other passes, that is definitely not the motivation of the other moderators as I see it. That is a benefit that the moderator receives at the end passed on the participant "geek math".

If anyone decides to start a new newb pass and is looking for someone to help seed, I would be more than willing to oblige.

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  9:19 PM

Quotenirab - 11/19/2014  7:07 PM

Sorry, but this pass is not in the spirit of CG. Anyone who stays in this pass, under these conditions, is foolish. I've been on here for a bit now, and this is not how passes are done. There are personal motives going on here, and they are not right. Stefan, you are digging yourself into a hole, and burying yourself. It's a shame that you just don't get it. There are some old timers on here who are trying to help you out, and you refuse to listen. You  are living on borrowed time here my friend.  :notamused:

Again, more threats and scary tactics... no thank you.

QuoteTed - 11/19/2014  8:21 PM  

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  7:42 PM  

QuoteTed - 11/19/2014  6:38 PM  Wow. Strange read.

You gotta admit, quite entertaining though from the sidelines...

Personally, I'd be ashamed.

I've only participated in one pass here so far http://www.cigargeeks.com/index.php?action=cigpass;area=gen;boxpass_id=177), and it was designed to educate new players. The veterans that participated in that pass were truly selfless, guaranteed to have LOST on the balance sheet. I still feel like I owe these guys. Was a fantastic experience that one day I'd like to repay by hosting or helping with another newb pass.

Not one moderated by you though.

Your motivations seem different. You say "newbies only", and yet you provide an experience that seems to be scaring people away from what should be an enjoyable event. You even stated yourself that you believed the motivation for a pass moderator should be to get more sticks. Following along on a sampling of the other passes, that is definitely not the motivation of the other moderators as I see it. That is a benefit that the moderator receives at the end of the pass based on the participant "geek math".

If anyone decides to start a new newb pass and is looking for someone to help seed, I would be more than willing to oblige.

QuoteTed - 11/19/2014  7:22 PM

QuoteTed - 11/19/2014  8:21 PM  

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  7:42 PM  

QuoteTed - 11/19/2014  6:38 PM  Wow. Strange read.

You gotta admit, quite entertaining though from the sidelines...

Personally, I'd be ashamed.

I've only participated in one pass here so far http://www.cigargeeks.com/index.php?action=cigpass;area=gen;boxpass_id=177), and it was designed to educate new players. The veterans that participated in that pass were truly selfless, guaranteed to have LOST on the balance sheet. I still feel like I owe these guys. Was a fantastic experience that one day I'd like to repay by hosting or helping with another newb pass.

Not one moderated by you though.

Your motivations seem different. You say "newbies only", and yet you provide an experience that seems to be scaring people away from what should be an enjoyable event. You even stated yourself that you believed the motivation for a pass moderator should be to get more sticks. Following along on a sampling of the other passes, that is definitely not the motivation of the other moderators as I see it. That is a benefit that the moderator receives at the end of the pass based on the participant "geek math".

If anyone decides to start a new newb pass and is looking for someone to help seed, I would be more than willing to oblige.

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  9:37 PM

QuoteTed - 11/19/2014  7:22 PM

QuoteTed - 11/19/2014  8:21 PM  

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  7:42 PM  

QuoteTed - 11/19/2014  6:38 PM  Wow. Strange read.

You gotta admit, quite entertaining though from the sidelines...

Personally, I'd be ashamed.

I've only participated in one pass here so far http://www.cigargeeks.com/index.php?action=cigpass;area=gen;boxpass_id=177), and it was designed to educate new players. The veterans that participated in that pass were truly selfless, guaranteed to have LOST on the balance sheet. I still feel like I owe these guys. Was a fantastic experience that one day I'd like to repay by hosting or helping with another newb pass.

Not one moderated by you though.

Your motivations seem different. You say "newbies only", and yet you provide an experience that seems to be scaring people away from what should be an enjoyable event. You even stated yourself that you believed the motivation for a pass moderator should be to get more sticks. Following along on a sampling of the other passes, that is definitely not the motivation of the other moderators as I see it. That is a benefit that the moderator receives at the end of the pass based on the participant "geek math".

If anyone decides to start a new newb pass and is looking for someone to help seed, I would be more than willing to oblige.

Please don't put words in my mouth. What I said was something completely different. Anyway, I'm tired of rebuffing all these non-participants who seem to be coming out of the woodwork, so my apologies if I won't offer a complete response to your comments.

And this still is a pass for newbies, even if it now means that it is for people who don't mind a new approach to cigar passes.

A new approach to ripping trusting folks off. Plain and simple, you are in it for you, and you alone. And that is where you will find yourself soon enough...alone.

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  10:19 PM  

Quotenirab - 11/19/2014  7:07 PM  Sorry, but this pass is not in the spirit of CG. Anyone who stays in this pass, under these conditions, is foolish. I've been on here for a bit now, and this is not how passes are done. There are personal motives going on here, and they are not right. Stefan, you are digging yourself into a hole, and burying yourself. It's a shame that you just don't get it. There are some old timers on here who are trying to help you out, and you refuse to listen. You  are living on borrowed time here my friend.  :notamused:

 Again, more threats and scary tactics... no thank you.

I'm so sorry you see things this way Stefan. I'm a guy who loves everyone and will always give the benefit of the doubt but this is just surreal and you, sir, are making appreciating you very difficult.

There are no threats in Nirab's comment, no scary tactics. I even see an opened door for you to make amends and I have seen that offered to you in this thread on several occasions but you just don't seem to be interested in stopping this from escalating.

You might not care about our community but I certainly do and have a feeling I'm not alone who wants to keep it the way it is, with or without you. Hope this you don't take as a threat, it's just a friendly reminder that there is a strongly bonded community here and that pissing off every single geek that tries to help out might not be the best attitude to "fit in".

I really wanted to take your side on this, wanted to believe you were a generous geek whose pass was just misunderstood but it's clear that all you want now is to be right, at all cost and against almost everything we stand for.  The fact that you can't see that and are choosing, over and over, to not even listen to sound advice speaks volumes about your intentions.

Quote05Venturer - 11/19/2014  6:28 PM  

QuoteVroomp - 11/19/2014  5:19 PM  

Have just read this entire thread for the first time,.........  :-0

 

All I can say is WOW! :nono:  

 

Welcome to the Show Brad LOL

 Me too.  Just read everything myself and can't believe how weird this pass is.  If I was new to the site and was involved in this pass thinking this is how they always go, I would never join another pass again.  Hopefully the participants don't get discouraged from joining future passes as they are allot of fun and for the most part run pretty smoothly.  

QuoteMojo66 - 11/19/2014  7:43 PM

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  10:19 PM  

Quotenirab - 11/19/2014  7:07 PM  Sorry, but this pass is not in the spirit of CG. Anyone who stays in this pass, under these conditions, is foolish. I've been on here for a bit now, and this is not how passes are done. There are personal motives going on here, and they are not right. Stefan, you are digging yourself into a hole, and burying yourself. It's a shame that you just don't get it. There are some old timers on here who are trying to help you out, and you refuse to listen. You  are living on borrowed time here my friend.  :notamused:

 Again, more threats and scary tactics... no thank you.

I'm so sorry you see things this way Stefan. I'm a guy who loves everyone and will always give the benefit of the doubt but this is just surreal and you, sir, are making appreciating you very difficult.

There are no threats in Nirab's comment, no scary tactics. I even see an opened door for you to make amends and I have seen that offered to you in this thread on several occasions but you just don't seem to be interested in stopping this from escalating.

You might not care about our community but I certainly do and have a feeling I'm not alone who wants to keep it the way it is, with or without you. Hope this you don't take as a threat, it's just a friendly reminder that there is a strongly bonded community here and that pissing off every single geek that tries to help out might not be the best attitude to "fit in".

I really wanted to take your side on this, wanted to believe you were a generous geek whose pass was just misunderstood but it's clear that all you want now is to be right, at all cost and against almost everything we stand for.  The fact that you can't see that and are choosing, over and over, to not even listen to sound advice speaks volumes about your intentions.

 

 

QuoteMojo66 - 11/19/2014  7:14 PM

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  9:53 PM  

QuoteStogieDad - 11/19/2014  12:15 PM  Climb on folks!  Don't be scared, this will be an excellent representation of a Geek pass!

As someone who has recently been accused of not running a traditional pass, I wholly endorse this for newbies as well! This will be a great start to help you avoid getting into hot water on this site.

I just can't let this one go by. I mean wow, man, you haven't been ACCUSED of not running a traditional pass, your "pass" is nowhere near traditional and that's a fact, not an accusation. You have chosen to continue running it the way you intended to and that is, from a certain point of view, you prerogative.

But I fail to understand how it is you think you can go on disrespecting the rules and, in the end, most of us geeks, while calling yourself one. To me, being a geek is a whole lot more than smoking or collecting cigars.

I too, like you and many others hate it when people force my hand or plain tell me what to do but I still adhere to society's rules as I want to be part of it, shouldn't it be the same when joining a club? Those rules were there before you joined and the pass etiquette as well. Hundreds of passes happened with diverse themes, each an original pass with happy Geeks participating and ran in many different ways, but all had in common the fact they respected the rules and etiquette.

Why is it you want to play with us but don't want to play by the rules we are all happy to obey? I believe being a Geek means acting like one, can you?

"4.) After about two months, I am now curious to see what condition the package is in so I have it re-routed; if I get it back I see no reason not to exchange sticks, especially since my humidor is running low on smokes that I haven't yet tried; the package never arrives because of a USPS mix-up."

 Most participants probably havn't tried most of the sticks either.  Most members of a pass watch the transactions and try to plan their attack with what cigars they want to take before it gets to them.  By you taking them out just because you have not tried them out yet is really selfish.  As a moderator you get the package back at the end and get to keep everything in the box.  As far as the condition of the box is part of the pass etiquette that hopefully the pass members are paying attention to.  If the outside box is damaged, or needs a Boveda pack then whomever has it should fix that and usually do.  I have had passes where somebody has bought a new tupperware container because the original ran out of room.  If your personal stash in your humidor is running low, head down to the local B&M and take care of that.

Quotebmac7754 - 11/19/2014  8:38 PM

Not trying to start a battle here with you but hear me out please.  In reference to your #4

"4.) After about two months, I am now curious to see what condition the package is in so I have it re-routed; if I get it back I see no reason not to exchange sticks, especially since my humidor is running low on smokes that I haven't yet tried; the package never arrives because of a USPS mix-up."

 Most participants probably havn't tried most of the sticks either.  Most members of a pass watch the transactions and try to plan their attack with what cigars they want to take before it gets to them.  By you taking them out just because you have not tried them out yet is really selfish.  As a moderator you get the package back at the end and get to keep everything in the box.  As far as the condition of the box is part of the pass etiquette that hopefully the pass members are paying attention to.  If the outside box is damaged, or needs a Boveda pack then whomever has it should fix that and usually do.  I have had passes where somebody has bought a new tupperware container because the original ran out of room.  If your personal stash in your humidor is running low, head down to the local B&M and take care of that.

Quotesar127 - 11/19/2014  9:27 PM

As for your "I can do what I want" attitude, let me give you a simple analogy. Say we all belong to a basketball club and take turns running games at the gym.  In this case, we happened to have relied on you to run a newb game for NEW members so you can teach them CLUB rules. It's not your rules, its not my rules, its basic club rules for new members. It's a responsibility you take on by the "for newbies only" sign up sheet. Clear as mud? Now let's end this, please!!

Quotesar127 - 11/19/2014  10:28 PM

That's not what it says at the top of this page.

Quotebmac7754 - 11/19/2014  11:38 PM  

Not trying to start a battle here with you but hear me out please.  In reference to your #4

"4.) After about two months, I am now curious to see what condition the package is in so I have it re-routed; if I get it back I see no reason not to exchange sticks, especially since my humidor is running low on smokes that I haven't yet tried; the package never arrives because of a USPS mix-up."

 Most participants probably havn't tried most of the sticks either.  Most members of a pass watch the transactions and try to plan their attack with what cigars they want to take before it gets to them.  By you taking them out just because you have not tried them out yet is really selfish.  As a moderator you get the package back at the end and get to keep everything in the box.  As far as the condition of the box is part of the pass etiquette that hopefully the pass members are paying attention to.  If the outside box is damaged, or needs a Boveda pack then whomever has it should fix that and usually do.  I have had passes where somebody has bought a new tupperware container because the original ran out of room.  If your personal stash in your humidor is running low, head down to the local B&M and take care of that.

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  10:57 PM

Quotebmac7754 - 11/19/2014  8:38 PM

Not trying to start a battle here with you but hear me out please.  In reference to your #4

"4.) After about two months, I am now curious to see what condition the package is in so I have it re-routed; if I get it back I see no reason not to exchange sticks, especially since my humidor is running low on smokes that I haven't yet tried; the package never arrives because of a USPS mix-up."

 Most participants probably havn't tried most of the sticks either.  Most members of a pass watch the transactions and try to plan their attack with what cigars they want to take before it gets to them.  By you taking them out just because you have not tried them out yet is really selfish.  As a moderator you get the package back at the end and get to keep everything in the box.  As far as the condition of the box is part of the pass etiquette that hopefully the pass members are paying attention to.  If the outside box is damaged, or needs a Boveda pack then whomever has it should fix that and usually do.  I have had passes where somebody has bought a new tupperware container because the original ran out of room.  If your personal stash in your humidor is running low, head down to the local B&M and take care of that.

Ok, you have a valid point. However, I still feel that since it is my pass I can do whatever I want as long as it isn't unfair toward the remaining players. So far it has been the norm in this pass to see most hard-to-find sticks being grabbed after just one transition so I doubt that at this point anyone who is more than two transitions away is really making plans of getting a hold of such sticks. Finally, it is just a minor thing but I'm a bit of the obsessive type and would really like to change the format in which the sticks are listed before this pass is over (for instance, in spite of the new rules only cortod has thus far taken the time to specify the wrapper type; another thing I'd now like to see done is an inclusion of the actual value of each stick, for both practical and educational purposes).

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  11:57 PM

Quotebmac7754 - 11/19/2014  8:38 PM
Most participants probably haven't tried most of the sticks either.  Most members of a pass watch the transactions and try to plan their attack with what cigars they want to take before it gets to them.  By you taking them out just because you have not tried them out yet is really selfish.  If your personal stash in your humidor is running low, head down to the local B&M and take care of that.

Ok, you have a valid point. However, I still feel that since it is my pass I can do whatever I want as long as it isn't unfair toward the remaining players.

Quotequickme - 11/20/2014  9:37 AM

I was signed up for this pass and I was one of the guys that dropped out.  I sure am glad I did.  I may be somewhat new to this forum but I am on other ones where I'm NOT new.    This would of been my first pass but the minute you took the pass back I knew something was up.  I was new here and I still think I am new here but when the vets on here spoke up that's when I knew.  If they would have vouche for what you did than I'd be okay.   I get that you made the rules, I get that you're sticking to your guns BUT you really are ripping off and taking advantage of "newbies".   I really hope the newbies on here realize that what you are doing is NOT cool.  From one newbie to another Newbie, I strongly encourage you to reach out to the more active geeks on here for advice.  No one will judge you any different.  We are all here because of our obsession.  If you are here to prey on the weak, and take advantage of the True geek generosity you will be found out.

QuoteStogieDad - 11/20/2014  8:45 AM

Quotequickme - 11/20/2014  9:37 AM

I was signed up for this pass and I was one of the guys that dropped out.  I sure am glad I did.  I may be somewhat new to this forum but I am on other ones where I'm NOT new.    This would of been my first pass but the minute you took the pass back I knew something was up.  I was new here and I still think I am new here but when the vets on here spoke up that's when I knew.  If they would have vouche for what you did than I'd be okay.   I get that you made the rules, I get that you're sticking to your guns BUT you really are ripping off and taking advantage of "newbies".   I really hope the newbies on here realize that what you are doing is NOT cool.  From one newbie to another Newbie, I strongly encourage you to reach out to the more active geeks on here for advice.  No one will judge you any different.  We are all here because of our obsession.  If you are here to prey on the weak, and take advantage of the True geek generosity you will be found out.

I sincerely hope you don't let the negativity of this pass affect your future participation my friend.  That is my fear, is that this may turn off potentially great geeks to one of the great features of the site, passes.  I have been in at least 20, and have NEVER had anything close to a bad experience, in fact I love them so much I generally jump in every one that I can.  To any newb that thinks this was how things run, I urge you to check ANY of the other passes on the site, namely the newbie passes that we run to show you how these things work.

I hate this one has turned so sour, I just want to be sure this doesn't deter members from participating in the future.

QuoteStogieDad - 11/20/2014  9:45 AM  

Quotequickme - 11/20/2014  9:37 AM  I was signed up for this pass and I was one of the guys that dropped out.  I sure am glad I did.  I may be somewhat new to this forum but I am on other ones where I'm NOT new.    This would of been my first pass but the minute you took the pass back I knew something was up.  I was new here and I still think I am new here but when the vets on here spoke up that's when I knew.  If they would have vouche for what you did than I'd be okay.   I get that you made the rules, I get that you're sticking to your guns BUT you really are ripping off and taking advantage of "newbies".   I really hope the newbies on here realize that what you are doing is NOT cool.  From one newbie to another Newbie, I strongly encourage you to reach out to the more active geeks on here for advice.  No one will judge you any different.  We are all here because of our obsession.  If you are here to prey on the weak, and take advantage of the True geek generosity you will be found out.

I sincerely hope you don't let the negativity of this pass affect your future participation my friend.  That is my fear, is that this may turn off potentially great geeks to one of the great features of the site, passes.  I have been in at least 20, and have NEVER had anything close to a bad experience, in fact I love them so much I generally jump in every one that I can.  To any newb that thinks this was how things run, I urge you to check ANY of the other passes on the site, namely the newbie passes that we run to show you how these things work.  I hate this one has turned so sour, I just want to be sure this doesn't deter members from participating in the future.

 (http://www.cigargeeks.com/../images/emoticons/word.gif) X2.  I was just thinking this same thing Michael.  I hope newbies affected by this mess don't think this is normal practice around here and get discouraged from future activity.

Quotenirab - 11/20/2014  7:22 AM

It looks as though Stefan closed out the pass...interesting.  :shades:

Quotegpd4 - 11/20/2014  9:46 AM

Wow.  Quite a read!

QuoteCamshaft83 - 11/20/2014  9:50 AM

Quotenirab - 11/20/2014  7:22 AM

It looks as though Stefan closed out the pass...interesting.  :shades:

Just changed the name.

QuoteItalianGuido - 11/20/2014  12:25 PM

For those that have already completed their part in the pass, is there no Feedback? I think I did ok on my end. I tried to follow the rules, though I think I was supposed to put the wrapper type in the description, or something like that.

Quote05Venturer - 11/20/2014  1:36 PM

QuoteItalianGuido - 11/20/2014  12:25 PM

For those that have already completed their part in the pass, is there no Feedback? I think I did ok on my end. I tried to follow the rules, though I think I was supposed to put the wrapper type in the description, or something like that.

That brings up a great point
Anyone involved in this pass should receive feedback from the moderator and all pass members should make sure to give feedback for the moderator. This feedback serves as a way to ensure everyone involved with members here have a chance up front to see who they are dealing with based on others opinion good or bad

You did just fine in this pass brother! I got a mini-bomb from ya and I've been remiss in mentioning it. Your takes and puts were good also.

I'm gonna go leave my feedback for you in this pass and I'm gonna modify mine for Stefan from neutral to bad. I was content to leave it as neutral and let others read this thread but after the crap he's pulled in the last few days, I can't in good conscience leave him good or even neutral feedback. I was hoping that he had changed his ways after the Vets all expressed their concerns. 

I realize that WE as a company are in a unique position but that doesn't preclude us or me as being GEEKS first and foremost. There is a reason that we CHOSE to be active on ONLY this forum despite sponsoring contests run on others, we're here for the Geek Love, knowledge and definitely the tolerance first. 

Stefan, I can't speak for all GEEKS but the guys who have built the community that we love have expressed their displeasure and I (as my own human being) certainly agree with them.

Quotecortod - 11/20/2014  1:41 PM

I will send it to Rocky tomorrow morning, thanks.

QuoteItalianGuido - 11/20/2014  10:25 AM

For those that have already completed their part in the pass, is there no Feedback? I think I did ok on my end. I tried to follow the rules, though I think I was supposed to put the wrapper type in the description, or something like that.

Quotecortod - 11/20/2014  11:41 AM

I will send it to Rocky tomorrow morning, thanks.

QuoteBrlesq - 11/20/2014  6:20 AM

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  11:57 PM

Quotebmac7754 - 11/19/2014  8:38 PM
Most participants probably haven't tried most of the sticks either.  Most members of a pass watch the transactions and try to plan their attack with what cigars they want to take before it gets to them.  By you taking them out just because you have not tried them out yet is really selfish.  If your personal stash in your humidor is running low, head down to the local B&M and take care of that.

Ok, you have a valid point. However, I still feel that since it is my pass I can do whatever I want as long as it isn't unfair toward the remaining players.

Stefan, what you are doing IS unfair to the remaining pass members.  That's what we all keep telling you, over and over and over, but just don't listen.  Bmac is yet another member to point that out to you above, and your response is basically: "Valid point, but I'm still going to screw them over because that's the way I want to do it." YOU JUST REFUSE TO HEAR WHAT WE ARE ALL SAYING.

QuoteIt ought to be quite clear to you by now that there are dozens of members speaking out loudly against your actions, and not a single member defending you.  Maybe Cigar Geeks isn't the forum for you since you want to be a 'lone wolf' and not really part of our community.  

I certainly hope that the newbies involved in your pass and other newcomers that may be viewing our forums don't think that you and your actions are reflective of this forum.  We care about one another, and we are VERY tolerant (much more tolerant than other cigar communities . . . but I bet you already know that.)  The fact that so many of us felt a need to call you out is an indication that even the most tolerant folks have their limits.    

QuoteStogieDad - 11/20/2014  6:45 AM

Quotequickme - 11/20/2014  9:37 AM

I was signed up for this pass and I was one of the guys that dropped out.  I sure am glad I did.  I may be somewhat new to this forum but I am on other ones where I'm NOT new.    This would of been my first pass but the minute you took the pass back I knew something was up.  I was new here and I still think I am new here but when the vets on here spoke up that's when I knew.  If they would have vouche for what you did than I'd be okay.   I get that you made the rules, I get that you're sticking to your guns BUT you really are ripping off and taking advantage of "newbies".   I really hope the newbies on here realize that what you are doing is NOT cool.  From one newbie to another Newbie, I strongly encourage you to reach out to the more active geeks on here for advice.  No one will judge you any different.  We are all here because of our obsession.  If you are here to prey on the weak, and take advantage of the True geek generosity you will be found out.

I sincerely hope you don't let the negativity of this pass affect your future participation my friend.  That is my fear, is that this may turn off potentially great geeks to one of the great features of the site, passes.  I have been in at least 20, and have NEVER had anything close to a bad experience, in fact I love them so much I generally jump in every one that I can.  To any newb that thinks this was how things run, I urge you to check ANY of the other passes on the site, namely the newbie passes that we run to show you how these things work.

I hate this one has turned so sour, I just want to be sure this doesn't deter members from participating in the future.

Quotes+j - 11/20/2014  3:12 PM

QuoteBrlesq - 11/20/2014  6:20 AM

Quotes+j - 11/19/2014  11:57 PM

Quotebmac7754 - 11/19/2014  8:38 PM
Most participants probably haven't tried most of the sticks either.  Most members of a pass watch the transactions and try to plan their attack with what cigars they want to take before it gets to them.  By you taking them out just because you have not tried them out yet is really selfish.  If your personal stash in your humidor is running low, head down to the local B&M and take care of that.

Ok, you have a valid point. However, I still feel that since it is my pass I can do whatever I want as long as it isn't unfair toward the remaining players.

Stefan, what you are doing IS unfair to the remaining pass members.  That's what we all keep telling you, over and over and over, but just don't listen.  Bmac is yet another member to point that out to you above, and your response is basically: "Valid point, but I'm still going to screw them over because that's the way I want to do it." YOU JUST REFUSE TO HEAR WHAT WE ARE ALL SAYING.

I don't refuse to hear, I just disagree with what you are saying.

QuoteIt ought to be quite clear to you by now that there are dozens of members speaking out loudly against your actions, and not a single member defending you.  Maybe Cigar Geeks isn't the forum for you since you want to be a 'lone wolf' and not really part of our community.  

I certainly hope that the newbies involved in your pass and other newcomers that may be viewing our forums don't think that you and your actions are reflective of this forum.  We care about one another, and we are VERY tolerant (much more tolerant than other cigar communities . . . but I bet you already know that.)  The fact that so many of us felt a need to call you out is an indication that even the most tolerant folks have their limits.    

I also hope that the Cigargeeks community has many more active members who are considerate and quiet and that the loud, indignant behavior of the few who have poisoned this thread is not reflective of the community at large.

We are kind, loving, tolerant (example...you), generous, honest, trustworthy, and much much more. When someone comes around and thinks they can go against what we all believe in here on CG, and spout off as you have, well...you won't be around for long. Like many, many, many, many others have said, it is a shame that you don't get it, you could have been an asset to CG, but chose instead to isolate yourself. All the HTF sticks you covet could have been had over time, but you've been blinded by greed. Enjoy your first and last pass on CG...

Quotes+j - 11/20/2014  4:23 PM
I am growing tired of all this so from now on I'll be blocking all outsiders who post spiteful comments on this thread. Your comments will be thus ignored at my end.

QuoteBrlesq - 11/20/2014  3:42 PM

Quotes+j - 11/20/2014  4:23 PM
I am growing tired of all this so from now on I'll be blocking all outsiders who post spiteful comments on this thread. Your comments will be thus ignored at my end.

C'mon now, we all know that there is no way in hell that you are going to ignore anyone's posts.  You seem to thrive on creating controversy.  

Quotenirab - 11/20/2014  4:48 PM  

QuoteBrlesq - 11/20/2014  3:42 PM  

Quotes+j - 11/20/2014  4:23 PM I am growing tired of all this so from now on I'll be blocking all outsiders who post spiteful comments on this thread. Your comments will be thus ignored at my end.

C'mon now, we all know that there is no way in hell that you are going to ignore anyone's posts.  You seem to thrive on creating controversy.    

I was one of the folks who sent him a pm, and I tried to explain to him that what he was doing was wrong. I got pretty much the same attitude that he has been displaying on the public forums. It was fairly cordial, but the dude just doesn't get it. I was going to sit this one out, but when you cross the CG etiquette line, then I shall not be silent. I am going on record, along with Stephen, I think he should be banned. We don't need this type of person coming in and polluting our site. When I met JD at CatsFest this year, this type of behavior was what he warned us geeks about. He loves our site, and was amazed at how well we treated each other. He's been given a fair chance by many to see the error of his ways...now its time to send him on his way!  :notamused:

:word:  :respekt:  

QuoteDonM - 11/20/2014  3:17 PM

I have tried to refrain from any further posts on this pass, but as Brian stated, I too offered advise and assistance trying to keep this pass in line through the thread and through PM.  Stefan has ignored any advice given from any of the senior members of CG and continues to be an embarrassment to the entire  CG community and our Pass System.

Stefan has even went so low as to throw shots at CG's founder and our admins:  "Trust me, I can't wait to move on and start The Joker Pass... and I have to say that I really appreciate the laissez-faire attitude of the site administrators."  Stefan, are you so ignorant to think that they are not watching this thread and see what is going on?  We have the best of admins on this site, the greatest one could ask for.  Starting The Joker Pass, the joke would be on you.

You have changed the rules, disregarded any assistance offered, changed the name of the pass, selflessly re routed the pass back to yourself so that you can fondle and cherry pick the pass and essentially have disrespected every member of CG community with everything you have done. It would be in your best interest to route the pass back to you as you have been done and keep it.

We do not need your kind on Cigar Geeks.  As you have seen with posts we have politely Black Balled you.  Now I am telling you that it is in your best interest to sign off and forget your password.  CG is a wonderful place and we do not need you or your drama.  Have a nice life, Peace Out.

QuoteJackal - 11/20/2014  6:18 PM

QuoteDonM - 11/20/2014  3:17 PM

I have tried to refrain from any further posts on this pass, but as Brian stated, I too offered advise and assistance trying to keep this pass in line through the thread and through PM.  Stefan has ignored any advice given from any of the senior members of CG and continues to be an embarrassment to the entire  CG community and our Pass System.

Stefan has even went so low as to throw shots at CG's founder and our admins:  "Trust me, I can't wait to move on and start The Joker Pass... and I have to say that I really appreciate the laissez-faire attitude of the site administrators."  Stefan, are you so ignorant to think that they are not watching this thread and see what is going on?  We have the best of admins on this site, the greatest one could ask for.  Starting The Joker Pass, the joke would be on you.

You have changed the rules, disregarded any assistance offered, changed the name of the pass, selflessly re routed the pass back to yourself so that you can fondle and cherry pick the pass and essentially have disrespected every member of CG community with everything you have done. It would be in your best interest to route the pass back to you as you have been done and keep it.

We do not need your kind on Cigar Geeks.  As you have seen with posts we have politely Black Balled you.  Now I am telling you that it is in your best interest to sign off and forget your password.  CG is a wonderful place and we do not need you or your drama.  Have a nice life, Peace Out.

As admins we do not monitor every thread.  I first saw this nonsense last night.

Since no rules have technically been breached as of yet, I will be keeping my hands off for the time being.  This is a community and as long as the level of civility does not degrade further, I will allow the community to deal with this issue and take no actions myself.

However, I will be keeping on eye on things and making sure that Pablo and the other admins are kept in the loop.

QuoteDonM - 11/20/2014  6:21 PM  

QuoteJackal - 11/20/2014  6:18 PM  

QuoteDonM - 11/20/2014  3:17 PM  I have tried to refrain from any further posts on this pass, but as Brian stated, I too offered advise and assistance trying to keep this pass in line through the thread and through PM.  Stefan has ignored any advice given from any of the senior members of CG and continues to be an embarrassment to the entire  CG community and our Pass System.   Stefan has even went so low as to throw shots at CG's founder and our admins:  "Trust me, I can't wait to move on and start The Joker Pass... and I have to say that I really appreciate the laissez-faire attitude of the site administrators."  Stefan, are you so ignorant to think that they are not watching this thread and see what is going on?  We have the best of admins on this site, the greatest one could ask for.  Starting The Joker Pass, the joke would be on you.  You have changed the rules, disregarded any assistance offered, changed the name of the pass, selflessly re routed the pass back to yourself so that you can fondle and cherry pick the pass and essentially have disrespected every member of CG community with everything you have done. It would be in your best interest to route the pass back to you as you have been done and keep it.   We do not need your kind on Cigar Geeks.  As you have seen with posts we have politely Black Balled you.  Now I am telling you that it is in your best interest to sign off and forget your password.  CG is a wonderful place and we do not need you or your drama.  Have a nice life, Peace Out.

As admins we do not monitor every thread.  I first saw this nonsense last night.  Since no rules have technically been breached as of yet, I will be keeping my hands off for the time being.  This is a community and as long as the level of civility does not degrade further, I will allow the community to deal with this issue and take no actions myself.  However, I will be keeping on eye on things and making sure that Pablo and the other admins are kept in the loop.

:bigthumbs: But c'mon you know really he is an @$$hole  

Don I dont know if this guy is just this naive or if hes got a set of Brass balls the size of Texas.

Quotebigjohn20081983 - 11/20/2014  5:46 PM  

QuoteDonM - 11/20/2014  6:21 PM  

QuoteJackal - 11/20/2014  6:18 PM  

QuoteDonM - 11/20/2014  3:17 PM  I have tried to refrain from any further posts on this pass, but as Brian stated, I too offered advise and assistance trying to keep this pass in line through the thread and through PM.  Stefan has ignored any advice given from any of the senior members of CG and continues to be an embarrassment to the entire  CG community and our Pass System.   Stefan has even went so low as to throw shots at CG's founder and our admins:  "Trust me, I can't wait to move on and start The Joker Pass... and I have to say that I really appreciate the laissez-faire attitude of the site administrators."  Stefan, are you so ignorant to think that they are not watching this thread and see what is going on?  We have the best of admins on this site, the greatest one could ask for.  Starting The Joker Pass, the joke would be on you.  You have changed the rules, disregarded any assistance offered, changed the name of the pass, selflessly re routed the pass back to yourself so that you can fondle and cherry pick the pass and essentially have disrespected every member of CG community with everything you have done. It would be in your best interest to route the pass back to you as you have been done and keep it.   We do not need your kind on Cigar Geeks.  As you have seen with posts we have politely Black Balled you.  Now I am telling you that it is in your best interest to sign off and forget your password.  CG is a wonderful place and we do not need you or your drama.  Have a nice life, Peace Out.

As admins we do not monitor every thread.  I first saw this nonsense last night.  Since no rules have technically been breached as of yet, I will be keeping my hands off for the time being.  This is a community and as long as the level of civility does not degrade further, I will allow the community to deal with this issue and take no actions myself.  However, I will be keeping on eye on things and making sure that Pablo and the other admins are kept in the loop.

:bigthumbs: But c'mon you know really he is an @$$hole  

 

Don I dont know if this guy is just this naive or if hes got a set of Brass balls the size of Texas.

QuoteJackal - 11/20/2014  3:18 PM

QuoteDonM - 11/20/2014  3:17 PM

I have tried to refrain from any further posts on this pass, but as Brian stated, I too offered advise and assistance trying to keep this pass in line through the thread and through PM.  Stefan has ignored any advice given from any of the senior members of CG and continues to be an embarrassment to the entire  CG community and our Pass System.

Stefan has even went so low as to throw shots at CG's founder and our admins:  "Trust me, I can't wait to move on and start The Joker Pass... and I have to say that I really appreciate the laissez-faire attitude of the site administrators."  Stefan, are you so ignorant to think that they are not watching this thread and see what is going on?  We have the best of admins on this site, the greatest one could ask for.  Starting The Joker Pass, the joke would be on you.

You have changed the rules, disregarded any assistance offered, changed the name of the pass, selflessly re routed the pass back to yourself so that you can fondle and cherry pick the pass and essentially have disrespected every member of CG community with everything you have done. It would be in your best interest to route the pass back to you as you have been done and keep it.

We do not need your kind on Cigar Geeks.  As you have seen with posts we have politely Black Balled you.  Now I am telling you that it is in your best interest to sign off and forget your password.  CG is a wonderful place and we do not need you or your drama.  Have a nice life, Peace Out.

As admins we do not monitor every thread.  I first saw this nonsense last night.

Since no rules have technically been breached as of yet, I will be keeping my hands off for the time being.  This is a community and as long as the level of civility does not degrade further, I will allow the community to deal with this issue and take no actions myself.

However, I will be keeping on eye on things and making sure that Pablo and the other admins are kept in the loop.

Quotesjn1117 - 11/20/2014  4:17 PM

Quotebigjohn20081983 - 11/20/2014  5:46 PM  

QuoteDonM - 11/20/2014  6:21 PM  

QuoteJackal - 11/20/2014  6:18 PM  

QuoteDonM - 11/20/2014  3:17 PM  I have tried to refrain from any further posts on this pass, but as Brian stated, I too offered advise and assistance trying to keep this pass in line through the thread and through PM.  Stefan has ignored any advice given from any of the senior members of CG and continues to be an embarrassment to the entire  CG community and our Pass System.   Stefan has even went so low as to throw shots at CG's founder and our admins:  "Trust me, I can't wait to move on and start The Joker Pass... and I have to say that I really appreciate the laissez-faire attitude of the site administrators."  Stefan, are you so ignorant to think that they are not watching this thread and see what is going on?  We have the best of admins on this site, the greatest one could ask for.  Starting The Joker Pass, the joke would be on you.  You have changed the rules, disregarded any assistance offered, changed the name of the pass, selflessly re routed the pass back to yourself so that you can fondle and cherry pick the pass and essentially have disrespected every member of CG community with everything you have done. It would be in your best interest to route the pass back to you as you have been done and keep it.   We do not need your kind on Cigar Geeks.  As you have seen with posts we have politely Black Balled you.  Now I am telling you that it is in your best interest to sign off and forget your password.  CG is a wonderful place and we do not need you or your drama.  Have a nice life, Peace Out.

As admins we do not monitor every thread.  I first saw this nonsense last night.  Since no rules have technically been breached as of yet, I will be keeping my hands off for the time being.  This is a community and as long as the level of civility does not degrade further, I will allow the community to deal with this issue and take no actions myself.  However, I will be keeping on eye on things and making sure that Pablo and the other admins are kept in the loop.

:bigthumbs: But c'mon you know really he is an @$$hole  

 

Don I dont know if this guy is just this naive or if hes got a set of Brass balls the size of Texas.

   I sincerely hope this gets squashed soon. It really puts a drag on enjoying my favoriteplace outside of next to my wife and children. I don't at this point see how Stefan is going to make this right with the attitude he has taken. I agree with Don, log off and lose your password brother.

 

QuoteDonM - 11/20/2014  3:21 PM

QuoteJackal - 11/20/2014  6:18 PM

QuoteDonM - 11/20/2014  3:17 PM

I have tried to refrain from any further posts on this pass, but as Brian stated, I too offered advise and assistance trying to keep this pass in line through the thread and through PM.  Stefan has ignored any advice given from any of the senior members of CG and continues to be an embarrassment to the entire  CG community and our Pass System.

Stefan has even went so low as to throw shots at CG's founder and our admins:  "Trust me, I can't wait to move on and start The Joker Pass... and I have to say that I really appreciate the laissez-faire attitude of the site administrators."  Stefan, are you so ignorant to think that they are not watching this thread and see what is going on?  We have the best of admins on this site, the greatest one could ask for.  Starting The Joker Pass, the joke would be on you.

You have changed the rules, disregarded any assistance offered, changed the name of the pass, selflessly re routed the pass back to yourself so that you can fondle and cherry pick the pass and essentially have disrespected every member of CG community with everything you have done. It would be in your best interest to route the pass back to you as you have been done and keep it.

We do not need your kind on Cigar Geeks.  As you have seen with posts we have politely Black Balled you.  Now I am telling you that it is in your best interest to sign off and forget your password.  CG is a wonderful place and we do not need you or your drama.  Have a nice life, Peace Out.

As admins we do not monitor every thread.  I first saw this nonsense last night.

Since no rules have technically been breached as of yet, I will be keeping my hands off for the time being.  This is a community and as long as the level of civility does not degrade further, I will allow the community to deal with this issue and take no actions myself.

However, I will be keeping on eye on things and making sure that Pablo and the other admins are kept in the loop.

:bigthumbs: But c'mon you know really he is an @$$hole

Quotetimpellis - 11/20/2014  4:49 PM

I don't really have too much input on this, plenty has been said but I would add that you shouldn't refer to this as cyber bullying. That is a very serious subject that is much more serious than this silly argument. To not minimize the struggles that thousands of children go through each year I ask that you not compare this situation to that. Thanks.

Quotetimpellis - 11/20/2014  5:00 PM

Seriously dude? You are trying to compare what has happened here to something that has ruined people lives and driven people to suicide in many cases? Why don't you post the full definition? "Cyber-bullying could be limited to posting rumors or gossips about a person in the internet bringing about hatred in other's minds; or it may go to the extent of personally identifying victims and publishing materials severely defaming and humiliating them." This does not describe what has happened. You really need to get down off the cross. Go and share this story with the family of a young gay person that has killed themselves because of cyber bullying, then report back about their thoughts.

Quotetimpellis - 11/20/2014  5:18 PM

I am so glad that you reach out to gay families, that has nothing to do with this. As if meeting with them somehow makes your cyber bullying "struggle" valid. Like when a racist says, I can't be racist, I have black friends. Clearly you only see what you want which I guess is most of the problem here. I am not going to waste anymore time on this, it is clear to me that you only care about yourself and being "right." I made a simple request that you not minimize the struggles of many people that mean so much to me, but clearly that request was too much for you and it is much more important that you be a martyr. Maybe next you can compare your struggle here to fighting cancer, or being a solider in a war. Do whatever you want with your pass, since clearly it is the most important thing ever. I hope the weather is nice up so high on that horse and that your cross isn't too heavy right now. Good day.

Holy Shyte!!

I was a member of this pass early on as a "not so newbie" participant, and before all hell broke loose.  I hadn't really been following all the banter too much until recently.  All I can say is WOW!

I said then, and I still believe that our moderator (Stefan) did not enter into this gig with greedy or devious intentions.  However, somewhere along the way, the constructive criticism that Stefan received was not taken that way, and instead was used as a springboard to create DRAMA.

Stefan, I don't know you, nor you me, but I've worked/dealt with a lot of different people in the course of my life, and there are some individuals that just need everything to be dramatic and complicated.  I wonder if you might be one of those people.  If so, it doesn't make you an a**hole but it might preclude you from being a good candidate to moderate a pass.  A cigar pass is really a very simple thing that can be achieved with nothing more than common sense, and a belief that it is better to give than receive.  Somewhere along the way, you perceived that a line was drawn in the sand, and you were told not to cross it........and of course you did.......The problem is that your perceptions were off base.  All anyone here ever tried to do for you was help, initially, but it is now beyond the point of no return.  Bridges have been burned, and I question whether it's too late to salvage.  You need to ask yourself if you want to continue to be a member of this community, and interact with grace and dignity or be an instigator.  If the answer is the latter, then I feel bad for you.  We all need a slice of humble pie every once in while, and are better for it.  My advice is to have yours now.  Only YOU can end this ridiculousness.

All the rest of us can do is stop responding to this thread so it goes away. 

Humbly and with no ill will,

Caveman Steve