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Title: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: c9belayer on 12/24/2015 01:58 PM
So I got a nice H. Upmann glass ashtray along with a 5-pack of the 1844 Toros. The entire bottom of the round ashtray sports a fine H. Upmann logo - it looks really nice. I wasn't  interested in the ashtray, but it looks so good I decided to keep it. However, on the side is a surgeon general's warning. Damn. I tried to remove this objectionable notice with acetone, lacquer thinner, turpentine, and denatured alcohol. I even tried a citrus-based label removal solution (Goof Off, I believe). Nothing worked, not even a little bit. I really want to use this thing but I won't without that nefarious warning staring me in the face. Does anyone have any idea what I can use to remove this printing? I'm thinking methyl ethyl ketone, but before I head down to the hardware store I'd like to see if anyone else out there has tried this, and what their experience has been. Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: McBryde on 12/24/2015 02:02 PM
Torch lighter?

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Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: McBryde on 12/24/2015 02:03 PM
Welcome to the site as well, head over to the newbie forum and introduce yourself!

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Title: RE: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: toby2 on 12/24/2015 02:40 PM

not sure,

but welcome!

Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: Jackal on 12/24/2015 03:05 PM
I cannot state for certain without actually seeing it.  Is it a white colored paint?  If it is, or any other type of oxide based paint, you probably need something with a high pH value.  Some lye might just work.  

Wearing chemical resistant gloves (rubber, nitrle, latex, etc) pour a little concentrated lye on a cloth.  Rub it onto the offending area and let it sit for 5-10 minutes.  Rub some more on to wash away what was loosened, and rinse with water.  It may take a few applications to remove completely.

Beyond that, you may need to get trickier.
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: c9belayer on 12/28/2015 01:40 PM
Thanks Jackal. Yes, it's the white part.
I'll try the lye thing as soon as I can find some.

Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: Mojo66 on 12/28/2015 01:46 PM
It is a nice ashtray.

Do introduce yourself in the new member intro, we want to know more about you.
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: Jackal on 12/28/2015 01:47 PM
Quotec9belayer - 12/28/2015  2:40 PM

Thanks Jackal. Yes, it's the white part.
I'll try the lye thing as soon as I can find some.
I clicked the "Attach a file after posting" check-box, and will attempt to attach a picture to this thread.


From the pic, it looks like a plastic decal being held on by a pressure sensitive adhesive.  You are in for a tough one.  You will either need to lift and pull the plastic up, or find some kind of solvent that will either craze or dissolve the plastic.  Lye isn't going to cut it.

The other route that might work is application of heat.  This could soften the adhesive or cause the decal to deform enough to get you a starting place to work on lifting it.  Try a hair dryer (or heat gun if you have one) at its highest setting.  If you can get the label to bubble or lift, then you can get under it to attack the adhesive.

Odds are that you will have to elbow grease this one.  Use plastic tools if possible, so as not to scratch the glass.
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: jharrisx5 on 12/28/2015 05:54 PM
I'd get angry and bust out the dremel tool with a wire wheel.....but I have anger issues...
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: plnortham on 12/28/2015 06:02 PM
Quotejharrisx5 - 12/27/2015  9:54 PM

I'd get angry and bust out the dremel tool with a wire wheel.....but I have anger issues...

:lmao::lmao::lmao:
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: Brlesq on 12/28/2015 07:16 PM
Its just a sticker?  Use WD-40
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: Hot Stuff x on 12/28/2015 09:54 PM
If this is a glass ashtray -- maybe try one of those scrapers that uses a razor blade...
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: Vroomp on 12/29/2015 04:49 AM

Gasoline removes almost any adhesive~!  :biggrin:

 

 Surprised Lacquer Thinner didn't do the trick.  Are you sure it's not etched in or between layers of glass?>

 

Final option.......

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Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: Cfickter on 12/29/2015 07:04 AM
Good looking ashtray. What about Navel Jelly?
Title: RE: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: C130Driver on 12/29/2015 07:19 AM
This should do the trick.
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: c9belayer on 12/30/2015 09:51 AM
All good answers, fellas. But it's not a label or a decal, or any sort of plastic matrix that was printed and then adhered to the glass. There's simply nothing to get a razor blade under, which leads be to believe the Dremel trick won't work unless I move to diamond bits.... (Jharrisx5: My Dremel with wire brush is permanently plugged in and ready to rock - it's my go-to solution for many things - but I didn't want to scratch the glass.) I think Vroomp came closest in suggesting there's a thin layer of glass somehow sealing the print in. I think I'm going to have to get extremely aggressive on this one. Oh, and C120Driver, nuclear fission would just turn it all to glass... which is part of the problem...

-c
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: nirab on 12/30/2015 11:11 AM
How about leaving it alone? Or covering it with a cigar sticker? Or, paint over that mofo? Or not... :biggrin:
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: ntanner on 12/30/2015 11:23 AM
What Brian said. Borrow some of the wife's nail polish or put a cigar sticker over it.
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: C130Driver on 12/30/2015 09:42 PM
In all seriousness, that really sucks. Everyone these days knows the risks of smoking, just let me do it in peace. I agree it takes away from the vibe the ashtray provides. Is it textured at all? Maybe a really high grit sandpaper.
Title: RE: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: Ken Kelley on 12/31/2015 06:03 AM
I think what you got right there is a fired on ceramic decal. If that's the case then you are pretty much screwed. Ain't no way to get it off because it is part of the glass. Live with it or cover it up are your choices I reckon.



http://www.ceramicdecals.org/Glass_Decals.html









Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: c9belayer on 01/01/2016 06:28 PM
So I finally got out the Dremel and went to town. The wire brush did nothing. I switched to a diamond bit and that worked great, though it permanently etched the glass. I think I'll chalk it up to a loss, and get back to my many other projects like rebuilding the inside of my Whynter cigar cooler. So far I've made better shelves, and am now working on a removable tray system with configurable dividers. I'll post pics, specs, and dimensional drawings when finished. Thanks for the inputs, guys! What a great forum.
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: McBryde on 01/01/2016 08:29 PM
Goes to show me which type of ashtrays to never get now, sorry for the bad luck, but thanks for the info!

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Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: bstessl on 01/01/2016 09:51 PM
Holy shyte!  I never knew there were risks to this!

welcome to the site,  looking forward for pics on the cooler project!
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: nirab on 01/02/2016 11:51 AM
How about a sticker, proclaiming the risks of not smoking cigars???

Warning: By choosing not to smoke cigars, you run the risk of being a complete and miserable a$$hole!  :biggrin:  :angel:
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: Ken Kelley on 01/02/2016 01:35 PM
Quotenirab - 1/2/2016  3:51 AM

How about a sticker, proclaiming the risks of not smoking cigars???

Warning: By choosing not to smoke cigars, you run the risk of being a complete and miserable a$$hole!  :biggrin:  :angel:



Yup! That pretty much takes care of the issue!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: C130Driver on 01/03/2016 10:43 AM
Quotebstessl - 1/2/2016  12:51 AM

Holy shyte!  I never knew there were risks to this!

welcome to the site,  looking forward for pics on the cooler project!

x2 post 'em up. I always like to see pics of people's projects.
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: c9belayer on 01/12/2016 03:35 PM
UPDATE!

So last night I'm woodworking, doing some glue-ups, and I needed a spot to lay down the glue brush and also to make a little puddle of glue for dabbing into spline joints. I hadn't tossed the ashtray in the trash yet, so I used that instead of the old Tupperware lid. It worked great! The two cigar rests molded into the glass cradle flux brushes perfectly, and the puddles of glue that drip into the ashtray are easily removed once they're dry. The glass is heavier and classier than the old Tupperware lid I was using before, so I think we have a happy ending after all. At least, until such time as I drop the damn thing and it shatters...
Title: Re: Glass Ashtray - how to remove print?
Post by: Camshaft83 on 01/13/2016 04:55 AM
Why don't you etch the rest of the inside to make it all match? Might turn out nice  :confused: