Cigar Geeks

I have noticed that the vast majority of the feedback that users have here is positive. In fact, I haven't seen anyone with negative feedback. I'm curious, would you leave negative feedback on a CG? If so, for what? I've set the poll up to allow everyone to add voting options and for multivoting. Thanks to all that participate.

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I would definitely leave negative feedback if the person deserved it, but I would treat it sort of like feedback on ebay where I contact the other person to figure out if they can remedy the situation before I post it.

Depends on the issue.  If I was doing business with the person and it went south I would try PM and email first.  If I was unable to rectify the problem then I think you owe it to other geeks to warn them of possible issues.

 

QuoteBob Cordell - 7/22/2011  10:27 AM

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Dammit Cordell !!   :biggrin:

When FijiJD messed up the Unlimited Pass and never made it right, I left him negative feedback.

Quotesmoke 1 - 7/22/2011  11:38 AM

Depends on the issue.  If I was doing business with the person and it went south I would try PM and email first.  If I was unable to rectify the problem then I think you owe it to other geeks to warn them of possible issues.

 

I feel the same way.

:lmao:

QuoteNES Tek - 7/22/2011  10:42 AM

When FijiJD messed up the Unlimited Pass and never made it right, I left him negative feedback.

I went and read the feedback and the pass pages that discussed the issue. Thanks for the info Nick, it was very good reading.

With the number of people who don't take the time to leave positive feedback, I find it interesting that a vast majority of this poll would make sure they got around to leaving negative feedback.  The majority of transactions I've had the recipient hasn't left any feedback.  I considered adding an option for all the people who choose not to leave positive or negative feedback.

Quoteakira - 7/22/2011  11:37 AM

I would definitely leave negative feedback if the person deserved it, but I would treat it sort of like feedback on ebay where I contact the other person to figure out if they can remedy the situation before I post it.

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QuoteBrlesq - 7/22/2011  12:45 PM

Quoteakira - 7/22/2011  11:37 AM

I would definitely leave negative feedback if the person deserved it, but I would treat it sort of like feedback on ebay where I contact the other person to figure out if they can remedy the situation before I post it.

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Oh, and  :biggrin:

Maybe constructive feedback,That's as far as I would go!.

Quotenwb - 7/22/2011  11:46 AM

QuoteBrlesq - 7/22/2011  12:45 PM

Quoteakira - 7/22/2011  11:37 AM

I would definitely leave negative feedback if the person deserved it, but I would treat it sort of like feedback on ebay where I contact the other person to figure out if they can remedy the situation before I post it.

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Oh, and  :biggrin:

Dammit nwb !!  :biggrin:

QuoteShukpaw - 7/22/2011  9:45 AM

With the number of people who don't take the time to leave positive feedback, I find it interesting that a vast majority of this poll would make sure they got around to leaving negative feedback.  The majority of transactions I've had the recipient hasn't left any feedback.  I considered adding an option for all the people who choose not to leave positive or negative feedback.

I think that human nature is when things are going good, the typical person doesn't think about it.

However, when they feel that they have been slighted, people easily get pissed and want to retaliate.

QuoteShukpaw - 7/22/2011  9:45 AM

With the number of people who don't take the time to leave positive feedback, I find it interesting that a vast majority of this poll would make sure they got around to leaving negative feedback.  The majority of transactions I've had the recipient hasn't left any feedback.  I considered adding an option for all the people who choose not to leave positive or negative feedback.

I'm guilty of that at times. Everyone who has been in the Unlimited Pass: Part Deux finally got positive feedback from me last week.

I voted that Rich is an a$$hole because he didn't leave positive feedback for Shukpaw's last pass even though he deserved it and lubrix agrees.

Quotelowpro75 - 7/22/2011  1:51 PM

I voted that Rich is an a$$hole because he didn't leave positive feedback for Shukpaw's last pass even though he deserved it and lubrix agrees.

 :lmao:

I agree.

Can I change my vote and agree that Rich is an a-hole?

I want to see negative feedback on a bomb, I'm confident that some ungrateful bastard out there has the balls to do that.

QuoteBob Cordell - 7/22/2011  2:17 PM

Can I change my vote and agree that Rich is an a-hole?

The limits of the website don't allow you to do that but your agreement is noted.

Quotelowpro75 - 7/22/2011  2:19 PM
I want to see negative feedback on a bomb, I'm confident that some ungrateful bastard out there has the balls to do that.

I nominate craig schmidt.

Quotelowpro75 - 7/22/2011  2:19 PM

QuoteBob Cordell - 7/22/2011  2:17 PM

Can I change my vote and agree that Rich is an a-hole?

The limits of the website don't allow you to do that but your agreement is noted.

Then note mine as well, please!  :biggrin:

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 :lmao:

Quotenwb - 7/22/2011  1:46 PM

Quotelowpro75 - 7/22/2011  2:19 PM
I want to see negative feedback on a bomb, I'm confident that some ungrateful bastard out there has the balls to do that.

I nominate craig schmidt.

And he is??? And you nominate him for this (dis)honor because???

QuoteBob Cordell - 7/22/2011  2:17 PM

Can I change my vote and agree that Rich is an a-hole?

Fixed that for ya, Bob!

Thanks Ken, your Johnny on the Spot!

:lmao:  :lmao:

The Thread'jackin skills of this bunch are legendary............ :biggrin:

Quotewescat - 7/22/2011  4:30 PM

The Thread'jackin skills of this bunch are legendary............ :biggrin:

And allowing people to add their own option practically guarantees some mischief. Not that I would personally do such a thing by any means!

Sure I would leave negative feedback depends on circumstance. :lmao:

So, going through the categories there are a few instances where I could see negative feedback being given and others where it isn't really applicable or just a bad idea.  I have had only good experiences with trades, splits and sales.  Of course, Ken buys most of the shyt I sell, and he's got a good reputation.  

Bomber - Only leave feedback for the Bomber if you were the recipient of the bomb. - Negative Feedback = Super ballsy.
Box Splitter - All Individuals involved in the split can leave feedback for each other. - I can see some negative feedback here.
Buyer - The member who sold items can leave feedback about the buyer. - I can see some negative feedback here.
Contest Sponsor - The member who won the contest can leave feedback about the Sponsor of the contest. - Negative Feedback not applicable. - Rip the contest sponsor, who provides the cigars out of the goodness of his heart.  Great idea for those who want to get banned from contests.  On a personal note, if I didn't win the hilarity contest, I would have given Wes negative feedback.
Geek Critique Reviewer - The member who sponsored the Geek Critique can leave feedback about the members who did the reviews. - I can see some negative feedback here.
Geek Critique Sponsor - The members who participated in the Geek Critique can leave feedback about the Sponsor.- Rip your sponsor, great idea for those who want to participate in more than one.
Gifter - The member who received a gift from another member can leave feedback for the gifter. (i.e. Pay it Forwards, etc...) - Rip the guy who gave you a gift, that's all class.  
Pass Member - If you were a member of a pass, you can leave feedback about the moderator who started it. If you were the moderator, you can leave feedback about the members who participated. - I can see this being the most likely to get negative feedback
Seller - The member who bought items can leave feedback about the seller.  - I can see some negative feedback here.
Trader - If you were involved with a trade with someone you both can leave feedback for each other.- I can see some negative feedback here.

That's a great breakdown Rich. Thanks!

QuoteNES Tek - 7/22/2011  6:27 PM

That's a great breakdown Rich. Thanks!

I agree, thanks for the write up Rich.

Quotelowpro75 - 7/22/2011  6:45 PM
...On a personal note, if I didn't win the hilarity contest, I would have given Wes negative feedback....

 :lmao:  :lmao:

Quotewescat - 7/22/2011  3:05 PM

Quotenwb - 7/22/2011  1:46 PM

Quotelowpro75 - 7/22/2011  2:19 PM
I want to see negative feedback on a bomb, I'm confident that some ungrateful bastard out there has the balls to do that.

I nominate craig schmidt.

And he is??? And you nominate him for this (dis)honor because???

Oh, he was a member for a while.  He moderated a super high end pass and immediately stopped coming to the site after it was complete.

Quotenwb - 7/22/2011  8:00 PM

Quotewescat - 7/22/2011  3:05 PM

Quotenwb - 7/22/2011  1:46 PM

Quotelowpro75 - 7/22/2011  2:19 PM
I want to see negative feedback on a bomb, I'm confident that some ungrateful bastard out there has the balls to do that.

I nominate craig schmidt.

And he is??? And you nominate him for this (dis)honor because???

Oh, he was a member for a while.  He moderated a super high end pass and immediately stopped coming to the site after it was complete.

Ouch  :shamebag:

Thanks for the info Nate, that must have been before my time.

Craig Schmidt...snicker  :rolleyes:

A person definitely has to earn my wrath... My roommate once left toast sweat on the kitchen counter and I was forced to mop it up with his face.  :beatup:

Quotenwb - 7/22/2011  7:57 PM

Quotelowpro75 - 7/22/2011  6:45 PM
...On a personal note, if I didn't win the hilarity contest, I would have given Wes negative feedback....

 :lmao:  :lmao:

No worries, As soon as the option to leave negative feedback for one's self becomes available, I'm planning to do that myself.  I'm not an A$$hole, but I play one while I'm watching TV.

QuoteRoscozRevenge - 7/22/2011  10:28 PM

A person definitely has to earn my wrath... My roommate once left toast sweat on the kitchen counter and I was forced to mop it up with his face.  :beatup:

I'm not familiar with what exactly toast sweat is, nor am I entirely sure what sorts of stress will make toast sweat.   :confused:

Quote87North - 7/22/2011  10:14 PM

QuoteRoscozRevenge - 7/22/2011  10:28 PM

A person definitely has to earn my wrath... My roommate once left toast sweat on the kitchen counter and I was forced to mop it up with his face.  :beatup:

I'm not familiar with what exactly toast sweat is, nor am I entirely sure what sorts of stress will make toast sweat.   :confused:

Pardon me. I am quite sure many people do not know what toast sweat is so I shall clarify for those of you who do not associate with slobs. Toast sweat is the moisture that condenses on a surface when a freshly toasted grain product is placed upon it. Furthermore, toast sweat has been described by the federal government as a possible source of SARS, West Nile and africanized bees. I apologize for my digression from this threads topic. I am a dick.

Quotelowpro75 - 7/22/2011  11:19 AM

I want to see negative feedback on a bomb, I'm confident that some ungrateful bastard out there has the balls to do that.

I thought that ungrateful bastard was you?  :confused:  We're still waiting.  :biggrin:

I would leave negative feedback if I setup a pass and had a bad member or did a split and got screwed etc.

Quotelowpro75 - 7/22/2011  3:45 PM

So, going through the categories there are a few instances where I could see negative feedback being given and others where it isn't really applicable or just a bad idea.

I know it's an obvious rip to leave negative feedback for someone who sends you free cigars, but it's not too far behind, and a subtle rip, to leave no feedback at all.

Also, if you pull up some people's ratings you will see feedback left for them for buy, sell, split, and trades.  If you then look up the rating for the person they dealt with there is no feedback left from them for that transaction.  You'll find some members fail to reciprocate regularly.  If it was a good transaction, reciprocate the feedback.  If not, leave neutral or negative feedback so we can know it didn't go well and that part of the feedback system can do what it is designed to do.

Since Rich seems to be making the most sense on this and giving this the most consideration I have a couple of questions for him.

Take the fantasy football league.  By joining into the competition and pledging at the start cigars as the prize to the winner aren't the participants contest sponsors?  If someone who owed the winner cigars didn't send the winner any would it be appropriate for the winner to leave them negative feedback?  Should the winner leave positive feedback for those who do send them cigars?

There are those who choose to not take the time or consideration or whatever to leave positive feedback for a bomb, gift, or contest winnings.  You can obviously stop sending those people bombs or gifts.  In the future, if you sponsor a contest, a critique, or moderate a pass, is it cool to preclude those members who haven't left you feedback?

QuoteRoscozRevenge - 7/22/2011  10:28 PM

A person definitely has to earn my wrath... My roommate once left toast sweat on the kitchen counter and I was forced to mop it up with his face.  :beatup:

A little testy about kitchen counters?

QuoteShukpaw - 7/23/2011  4:20 AM

Quotelowpro75 - 7/22/2011  3:45 PM

So, going through the categories there are a few instances where I could see negative feedback being given and others where it isn't really applicable or just a bad idea.

I know it's an obvious rip to leave negative feedback for someone who sends you free cigars, but it's not too far behind, and a subtle rip, to leave no feedback at all.

Also, if you pull up some people's ratings you will see feedback left for them for buy, sell, split, and trades.  If you then look up the rating for the person they dealt with there is no feedback left from them for that transaction.  You'll find some members fail to reciprocate regularly.  If it was a good transaction, reciprocate the feedback.  If not, leave neutral or negative feedback so we can know it didn't go well and that part of the feedback system can do what it is designed to do.

Since Rich seems to be making the most sense on this and giving this the most consideration I have a couple of questions for him.

Take the fantasy football league.  By joining into the competition and pledging at the start cigars as the prize to the winner aren't the participants contest sponsors?  If someone who owed the winner cigars didn't send the winner any would it be appropriate for the winner to leave them negative feedback?  Should the winner leave positive feedback for those who do send them cigars?

There are those who choose to not take the time or consideration or whatever to leave positive feedback for a bomb, gift, or contest winnings.  You can obviously stop sending those people bombs or gifts.  In the future, if you sponsor a contest, a critique, or moderate a pass, is it cool to preclude those members who haven't left you feedback?

These are some good questions.  I'll take the fantasy football league one first.  I think that you can look at it that way, and that you would have a right to leave negative feedback for someone who didn't pay up.  There were a couple people who didn't cough up cigars for the fantasy football, I won't mention Scott Caesar and Bob Cordell by name but I know who they are.  Bob and I had a mutual agreement to not send cigars since I forgot to send him cigars for another contest/competition that he won.  I didn't leave negative feedback on either profile since I figured that Scott would get around to it eventually.  Now I'm thinking maybe I'll leave him negative feedback as fantasy football season rolls around again but I would probably note it in the season starting thread if he decides to join.  

To answer the second question I would say that feedback is a relatively new feature on the site and is not hardwired into the culture of cigargeeks like it is on ebay.  It doesn't cost anything to leave it but it doesn't cost the receiver of positive feedback anything if that person doesn't leave it.  When I decide to bomb someone I don't look at their feedback rating.  Most people who are bombed started a thread thanking the bomber and showing off the bounty.  Is that enough?  I think it is.  I've sent way more bombs and sponsored quite a few contests and haven't got feedback credit for all of them.  But I always got a nice thank you from the recipient on a thread or in a PM.  That's enough for me.

QuoteRoscozRevenge - 7/22/2011  11:28 PM

A person definitely has to earn my wrath... My roommate once left toast sweat on the kitchen counter and I was forced to mop it up with his face.  :beatup:

 :lmao:  :lmao:

Quotelowpro75 - 7/23/2011  9:12 AM
...Most people who are bombed started a thread thanking the bomber and showing off the bounty.  Is that enough?  I think it is.  I've sent way more bombs and sponsored quite a few contests and haven't got feedback credit for all of them.  But I always got a nice thank you from the recipient on a thread or in a PM.  That's enough for me.

Although I'm glad we have a feedback feature, I have to agree.

The important point of Richs' last post is he was the a$$hole before I was the a$$hole!


Thats what I took from it anyway!



 :biggrin:

QuoteBob Cordell - 7/23/2011  5:59 PM

The important point of Richs' last post is he was the a$$hole before I was the a$$hole!


Thats what I took from it anyway!



 :biggrin:

thats funny  :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:

A good observation there Bob... :lmao: