Crap Network Grow Log 2012

Started by long_ashes, 07/29/2012 02:24 PM

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billy82

Love the pictures! They are amazing! Can't wait to see the final product.
But I really liked the name "Wish Stealer". It had a Native American ring to it. -Brlesq

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long_ashes

QuoteDaimonrunge - 7/31/2012  3:39 AM

Did you have to get any crazy permits to grow your own leaves?  Also, do you plan on rolling yourself or do you have outside help for that part?  Many more questions, but that will do for now.

Nope, growing tobacco is 100% legal in the U.S.  If you plan to sell, that's a different story altogether.  A retail license in Ohio is 1000 bucks a year to sell tobacco.  I plan on rolling them myself.  Granted the first few will be a bit rough but I have rolled a cigar before.  I believe the reason why it's legal is because of the process.  You can't just grow tobacco, pick a leaf, and start smoking.  You have to go through harvesting, curing, fermenting, blending/rolling... lots involved in the final stages.
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Daimonrunge

That's fantastic that you know how to roll.  I wouldn't even know where to begin.
-Daimon

lowpro75

QuoteDaimonrunge - 7/31/2012  3:30 PM

That's fantastic that you know how to roll.  I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I'd start with some tobacco leaves.
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mike.casey

Quotelowpro75 - 7/31/2012  3:21 PM

QuoteDaimonrunge - 7/31/2012  3:30 PM

That's fantastic that you know how to roll.  I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I'd start with some tobacco leaves.

Plus super glue, and some string... Maybe a paper clip or two, a magic marker, and some badass bands.
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billy82

They look nice.  Can't wait to see the final product.
But I really liked the name "Wish Stealer". It had a Native American ring to it. -Brlesq

A wise geek once told me that moving up from a daily smoke to a weekly or even bi-monthly smoke would be worth it, if I could learn how to appreciate a really really good cigar. -southernrun
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long_ashes

Going to be a busy farming day when I get off work.  Going to be picking the Seco/Volado leaves tonight in ALL gardens and hanging them up, as well as taking some of the "mud" leaves I've already picked and sticking them into the kiln as they are brown and ready to ferment.  The kiln is steady at 120-130 degrees F and 70-80% humidity.  Pictures will follow.
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grabow66

You got any idea on what your band will look like?
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long_ashes

Not sure yet.. we're thinking definitely a crap network theme.  Maybe our logo or cartoon faces.  My original thought was calling them La Casera Cigars, which means the homemade cigars.
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grabow66

Sweet, how about a band design contest? BTW, I got off of work early tonight. Im about to smoke that MOW Phalanx wr discussed. Your right. I need 2 hrs at least for it. :)
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akira

Wow, very cool!  Wish I had the space to do this also.  

The only question I have is why aren't you smoking any cigars in any of the pictures?
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grabow66

Well if it doesnt turn out, you could make custom chew out of it.
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long_ashes

We usually smoke our cigars AFTER we deal with the leaves.  That way we can relax and bask in our accomplishments.  :)
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vw77guy

That is friggin awesome.  I hope the cigars turn out as well as the garden did.

Hapcigar

Question, how much time has passed since you planeted the seeds until now?
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long_ashes

I started planting the seeds in the 2nd - 3rd week of April, had the plants transplanted to bigger pots (plastic dixie cups) by mid May, and beginning of June they were in the ground.
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long_ashes

Here is a pic of some of the leaves hanging up.  Yes this is just SOME.  I still have another 4 or 5 layers to go!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-BZ4ch5560dE/UC6DLsemB9I/AAAAAAAAEXM/97YtgxgiMzQ/s903/IMG_20120817_085851.jpg
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Quotelong_ashes - 8/17/2012  1:42 PM

I started planting the seeds in the 2nd - 3rd week of April, had the plants transplanted to bigger pots (plastic dixie cups) by mid May, and beginning of June they were in the ground.

So 19 weeks down, any idea on how much longer the fermentation process is going to take?
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long_ashes

It takes a month to dry them to a brown state (that is called color curing), then another 4-6 weeks in the kiln for the fermenting stage.  A lot of manufactures ferment them naturally outside by continuing to leave them hang or put them in bundles with moist towels around them.  That could take a year or more to age properly.  For someone like myself, putting it in the kiln at 120F and 70% for a month is supposed to be the same as aging them for a whole year.  Right now we are looking at being at full rolling stage at the end of October, with a few testing rolls/smokes in between starting in September.  

We are harvesting them by individual leaves called "Priming" as opposed to stalk harvesting.  We starting from bottom and going up each week until harvest is completely done.  (A total of a 3-4 weeks process)  Which means, to make the perfect/right blend we need to have a balance of each level of the plant from bottom to top.  So we can't start rolling our true blends until all levels are dried and fermented.
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Quotelong_ashes - 8/17/2012  2:26 PM

It takes a month to dry them to a brown state (that is called color curing), then another 4-6 weeks in the kiln for the fermenting stage.  A lot of manufactures ferment them naturally outside by continuing to leave them hang or put them in bundles with moist towels around them.  That could take a year or more to age properly.  For someone like myself, putting it in the kiln at 120F and 70% for a month is supposed to be the same as aging them for a whole year.  Right now we are looking at being at full rolling stage at the end of October, with a few testing rolls/smokes in between starting in September.  

We are harvesting them by individual leaves called "Priming" as opposed to stalk harvesting.  We starting from bottom and going up each week until harvest is completely done.  (A total of a 3-4 weeks process)  Which means, to make the perfect/right blend we need to have a balance of each level of the plant from bottom to top.  So we can't start rolling our true blends until all levels are dried and fermented.

Thanks for the update.  Great to see this process up close.
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long_ashes

So I smoked the "first" cigar from my homemade tobacco this morning. I quote on first because we had rolled a couple before that were too tight and we couldn't light. This cigar has a medium/dark/light filler mix (short filler unfortunately for now because these are very small mud leaves), with a Connecticut shade binder, and a dark maduro wrapper.

First impressions? Even on these mud leaves I was burning my fingers until the end. It had a very smoky (not straight smoke but like a steak that's smoked), sweet, and peppery (straight black pepper) taste. It also had feint pipe tobacco tastes to it, like a cavendish. It was smooth, and the draw on the cigar I rolled was perfect. The kicker here is that it also had a decent bit of nicotine to it. Which means these cigars may pack a big punch on flavor and strength once finished because these are just the mud leaves from the bottom of the plant (flavor and strength travels up).

We still have about two months before true rolling begins but I am super excited! Here is a picture of me smoking the little cigarillo I rolled up. (Backwoods style)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uf_nF_5MvMc/UEdW_a2OAqI/AAAAAAAAE7Q/_vauHp0yukA/s855/IMG_20120905_085052.jpg
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Hapcigar

Really looking forward to the final product.
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