Cigar Exchange - New life for Forgotten Smokes

Started by DogMan, 01/08/2013 01:24 PM

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junglepete

It's your idea and time so I support the effort.
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Brlesq

I still like the idea of this.  How to assign a $ value really needs to be worked out before this thing gets off the ground, though.  You said "more on that later", but its probably one of the most important parts of how this will work, and knowing this will help people determine if they want to participate.  

Pricing certainly can't be based on subjective values that a seller wants for his cigars.  That would be prone to abuse and over-valuations.  It would have to be tied to a static, objective price list that everyone could see.  For example, if you and I each bought the exact same cigar, but I paid $12 for in NY (with taxes) and you paid $4 on the internet, the value on the exchange would still have to be just one value for both of us, regardless of what either of us actually paid.   Do you have any ideas on this?

Assuming the kinks get worked out, count me in to helping seed some cigars to the initial run of this exchange.
Bruce
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Hey! How come Habana is written on here with a Sharpie ?!?

A day without whiskey is like . . . just kidding, I have no idea!


mike.casey

Dammit Bruce.... I was just about to get all of my $12 a piece Gran Habano Vintage 2002's boxed up to trade 1 for 1 with some T52's and you just had to go and throw a monkey wrench in it.
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Brlesq

Quotemike.casey - 1/9/2013  8:55 AM

Dammit Bruce.... I was just about to get all of my $12 a piece Gran Habano Vintage 2002's boxed up to trade 1 for 1 with some T52's and you just had to go and throw a monkey wrench in it.

Yeah, shot myself in the foot as well. I could have bought a bunch of CBid cigars and claimed NY prices!  But it is a pesky little detail that needs to be addressed.
Bruce
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Hey! How come Habana is written on here with a Sharpie ?!?

A day without whiskey is like . . . just kidding, I have no idea!


nwb

That's an excellent point, Bruce.  I see more abuse on cigars that have MSRP that are much higher than sale prices, and I'm not talking about Gurkhas.  For instance, if you have buy a fiver of a cigar on Joe's Jam at 60% of regular price, then how do you value said cigar?
Chief of Shaft

Foe

QuoteDogMan - 1/8/2013  4:56 PM

I sense lots of hesitation, of course, as well as perceived issues (likely true), but not necessarily a clear appreciation of what could be the benefits.

Any virtual checkbox setup leaves the buyer/trader either paying cash or trying to orchestrate a traditional trade that is attractive to both parties. If sticks from more than one member are desired, it quickly becomes a clusterf#$k and a shipping headache. It could be a nice addition to the site to note which stick each member wants to trade, but logistically it is nearly identical to the current setup, where I can post some sticks for trade in the forum, wait for replies, see if I'm interested in what's offered. It's like the difference between selling your house and buying a new one vs. trying to trade your house with another homeowner's

so I guess what I'm looking for is this:

Is it worth it to send your cigars away (maybe to start just the ones you don't value so much) to trade for other sticks in an undetermined and changing inventory, in order to get

1.  no cash upfront trades
2.  larger selection to trade for
3.  ability to trade most of the sticks you want to be rid of
4.  ability to wait and see what comes in later if you don't use all your exchange credit immediately

if it's not, I won't run with it, but if it sounds like something folks would do, I can keep going

- loren

I'm willing to send some cigars your way to seed this start-up...

lowpro75

I think you keep things simple by grouping the cigars into categories.  In theory they are all orphans or misfits anyway.  Put them into 2 tiers, one exchange buck or two exchange bucks.  I doubt you will be getting a lot of high end stuff to worry about.  An example of a one may be factory throwouts, an example of a two might be Man of War Seconds or CAO Brazilians.
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The Herf of Havertown.

DogMan

QuoteBrlesq - 1/9/2013  5:47 AM

I still like the idea of this.  How to assign a $ value really needs to be worked out before this thing gets off the ground, though.  You said "more on that later", but its probably one of the most important parts of how this will work, and knowing this will help people determine if they want to participate.  

Pricing certainly can't be based on subjective values that a seller wants for his cigars.  That would be prone to abuse and over-valuations.  It would have to be tied to a static, objective price list that everyone could see.  For example, if you and I each bought the exact same cigar, but I paid $12 for in NY (with taxes) and you paid $4 on the internet, the value on the exchange would still have to be just one value for both of us, regardless of what either of us actually paid.   Do you have any ideas on this?

Assuming the kinks get worked out, count me in to helping seed some cigars to the initial run of this exchange.

To me, this is actually the biggest hurdle. I was thinking of starting with

"assign each stick the lower of what you paid for it or the lowest it is commonly available for"

There has to be some level of trust that I am not trying to dispose of stuff I overpaid for AT THE PRICE I OVERPAID FOR IT.

I'm open to any ideas, but community flagging might be the best option. As a group, it seems there is a good sense of what almost any sticks current value is.

I started to set up an "Exchange Humidor". Trying to figure out how to make it accessible to exchangers so they can enter their  own puts. anyone know?

Loren B Davis

nwb

QuoteDogMan - 1/9/2013  12:59 PM
I started to set up an "Exchange Humidor". Trying to figure out how to make it accessible to exchangers so they can enter their  own puts. anyone know?

That is going to require some code, so I'd send SenorPablo a PM.
Chief of Shaft

Brlesq

#34
Quotelowpro75 - 1/9/2013 12:40 PM

I think you keep things simple by grouping the cigars into categories. In theory they are all orphans or misfits anyway. Put them into 2 tiers, one exchange buck or two exchange bucks. I doubt you will be getting a lot of high end stuff to worry about. An example of a one may be factory throwouts, an example of a two might be Man of War Seconds or CAO Brazilians.


Richa Rich has a pretty good solution, although maybe with 3 or 4 tiers so that highest tier doesn't value both a MoW Second and a Padron the same. Maybe tie the tiers to value frames such as:

$1-3 = 1 credit
$4-6 = 2 credits
$7-9 = 3 credits
$10 and above = 4 credits

Then use posted prices at CI or Famous as a general guide.
Bruce
Chief Enabler 
Guru of Decorum & Sarcasm


Hey! How come Habana is written on here with a Sharpie ?!?

A day without whiskey is like . . . just kidding, I have no idea!


lowpro75

QuoteBrlesq - 1/9/2013  1:21 PM

Quotelowpro75 - 1/9/2013  12:40 PM

I think you keep things simple by grouping the cigars into categories.  In theory they are all orphans or misfits anyway.  Put them into 2 tiers, one exchange buck or two exchange bucks.  I doubt you will be getting a lot of high end stuff to worry about.  An example of a one may be factory throwouts, an example of a two might be Man of War Seconds or CAO Brazilians.


Richa has a pretty good solution, although maybe with 3 or 4 tiers so that highest tier doesn't value both a MoW Second and a Padron the same. Maybe tie the tiers to value frames such as:

$1-3 = 1 credit
$4-6 = 2 credits
$7-9 = 3 credits
$10 and above = 4 credits

Then use posted prices at CI or Famous as a general guide.

Don't call me Richa.  And who's getting rid of Padrons?  PM me before you send them to the exchange.
Guru of Sensitivity.  

The Herf of Havertown.

Brlesq

Quotelowpro75 - 1/9/2013  1:25 PM

Don't call me Richa.  And who's getting rid of Padrons?  PM me before you send them to the exchange.

Sorry, fixed that.  Must have been subliminal typing as I started to spell out what we all call you in PMs.    :biggrin:

And maybe a member would be willing to trade in a single 4 credit cigar to get four 1-credit cigars.  That's the idea of the exchange.  If I see some Flor de Baloney's posted, thats what I would do.
Bruce
Chief Enabler 
Guru of Decorum & Sarcasm


Hey! How come Habana is written on here with a Sharpie ?!?

A day without whiskey is like . . . just kidding, I have no idea!


nwb

Quotelowpro75 - 1/9/2013  1:25 PM
And who's getting rid of Padrons?  PM me before you send them to the exchange.

 :word:

Good idea about the tiers.  That's why we pay you two the big $.
Chief of Shaft

87North

Quotenwb - 1/9/2013  1:34 PM

Quotelowpro75 - 1/9/2013  1:25 PM
And who's getting rid of Padrons?  PM me before you send them to the exchange.

 :word:

Good idea about the tiers.  That's why we pay you two the big $.

They're getting paid?

Guru of "Sarcastic Wit and Folksy Wisdom"

nwb

Quote87North - 1/9/2013  2:47 PM
They're getting paid?

Yes, all Gurus get paid.  We just haven't started paying you yet.

 :biggrin:
Chief of Shaft

87North

Quotenwb - 1/9/2013  1:55 PM

Quote87North - 1/9/2013  2:47 PM
They're getting paid?

Yes, all Gurus get paid.  We just haven't started paying you yet.

 :biggrin:

 :-(
Guru of "Sarcastic Wit and Folksy Wisdom"

Brlesq

Quotenwb - 1/9/2013  2:55 PM

Quote87North - 1/9/2013  2:47 PM
They're getting paid?

Yes, all Gurus get paid.  We just haven't started paying you yet.

 :biggrin:

Good job, Nate!  Paul told us not to say anything to Wes about that.  If Paul starts including him in the profit sharing plan, its coming out of YOUR share, bigmouth!   :mad:
Bruce
Chief Enabler 
Guru of Decorum & Sarcasm


Hey! How come Habana is written on here with a Sharpie ?!?

A day without whiskey is like . . . just kidding, I have no idea!


DogMan

#42

Here's what's done so far. A new Virtual Humidor is open under the username "exchange" I've seeded it with some sticks I would like to trade. The link is below. There are also some instuctions/rules below.

What I would really like to know from y'all is

1. Would you consider participating?

2.  Are the instructions/rules clear and simple to understand?

3.  Are those valuations now in the VH reasonable according to the guidelines?

thanks for your input - loren

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Concept

   

Trade those cigars you won't get around to smoking, have overstocked, should never have bought (DevilSite), or just don't care for anymore - without the hassle of finding a trading partner and setting up a trade. Just send in your sticks to the exchange and get back sticks up the value of those you've sent in. Pay only actual postage.

   

http://www.cigargeeks.com/index.php?action=humidors;area=public;member=Exchange

   

The Logistics

   

1.   Enter and Send your puts

   

Log in as CG user "Exchange". I'll give you the password when you're ready to ship. Enter your cigars in the "Exchange Inventory" virtual humidor

   
  • For the "Date", use the date      you are sending them to me[/li]  
  • For the "Price", use the Trade      Credit Value (see "Rules" below)[/li]  
  • For "Notes", use your CG      username[/li]

Package them up and send USPS with a delivery confirmation # to:

   

Loren Davis
12500  NW Jackson Quarry Rd
Hillsboro  OR  97124

   

In the package, include a separate slip of paper with the following info:

   

                                          
CG username                                                  DogMan
Real Name                                                       Loren Davis
Email Address                        Like this:           lorenbdavis@gmail.com
Shipping Address                                            12500  NW Jackson Quarry Rd
$ amount of credit for puts                              Hillsboro  OR  97124
                                                                       $54

   

2.    Select your takes (Anytime after your puts have arrived)

   

Take cigars valued up to your total Trade Credit balance, i.e. what you've put in (any leftover can be used later)

   

Log in as CG user "Exchange"

   
  • Go to the "Exchange      Inventory" humidor[/li]  
  • For a cigar(s) you want, click "edit"[/li]  
  • In the dialogue box drop down menu      "Move to Humidor", select "Takes"[/li]  
  • In the "Quantity to Move"      field, enter the number you are taking (it auto-populates with the max)[/li]  
  • In the" Notes" field, add      your username and the date after the put name, like "DogMan  - BigTA       3/3/13"[/li]  
  • Send me an email with a list of what      you took and the total . I'll send them to you USPS w/DC#.[/li]  
  • You will promptly reimburse me for      actual postage, preferably via PayPal, but any old way is fine.[/li]

The Rules

   

1.     Valuation

   

The Trade Credit Value for each cigar is the amount you enter in the price field of your puts. You then are entitled to takes up to the aggregate value of your puts. Obviously, one could abuse this exchange by overvaluing his puts. So, the rules are:

   
  • Value your puts at the LOWER of:[/li]
    • What you paid for it, or[/li]  
    • The
lowest price it is commonly       currently available for[/li]  [/list] [/list]    
  • Valuation needs to pass the smell test.      If another player isn't likely to look and say "Well, I wasn't sure      if I wanted to try that, but at that price, I'll go ahead", then it's      too high.[/li]
  • Use increments of $.50, and if in      doubt, round down.[/li]
  • Gurkhas and Thompson Exclusives have a      max value $1[/li]

2.     Reimbursement

   

You will promptly reimburse me for actual postage costs, or, in lieu of that, send a strip-o-gram to Rich at his place of work

   

The Suggestions

   
  • Fair, even generous, valuation is      essential to this working. If you just can't bear to part with that Gurkha      Super Special Underwater Anti-Terrorism Ordinance Disposal Special Limited      Edition for less than $6, then don't, but don't send it in.[/li]  
  • Share the good stuff - if there are 10      of popular smoke in inventory, just take 5[/li]  
  • No need to use all your credit at one      time, or send all your puts at once either[/li]

The Accounting

   

I will keep a simple spreadsheet of users, deposits, withdrawal, and balance. I'll try to get it posted so anyone can access it at anytime.

Loren B Davis

kola

So ... I'll agree with you that it's not a business, but if it gets any significant amount of attention from the geek squad, it will very quickly feel like one, and you may very quickly wish it was one.  My concerns are not about the implementation details, it's more about DogMan spending every free moment managing how much each person sent in, how much credit they have burned. And don't forget packing, labeling, shipping ... it all takes time and effort. A lot of it.

And there is one implementation detail that no one has mentioned yet. What do you do about lost or damaged shipments? And the credits that got lost or damaged along with it?

I think it is a great idea, but to do it as a volunteer effort could very quickly become overwhelming.
Smoke 'em if you got 'em
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cocon

Good luck! I will be keeping an eye on this....
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nwb

QuoteDogMan - 1/9/2013  8:01 PM
You will promptly reimburse me for actual postage costs, or, in lieu of that, send a strip-o-gram to Rich at his place of work...

 :lmao:

That would be great.

Let's keep this thread current - I will probably send you some stuff.
Chief of Shaft

tvolball

It will be interesting to see how this goes.
"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"

tvolball

It will be interesting to see how this goes.
"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"

lowpro75

Quotekola - 1/9/2013  8:23 PM

So ... I'll agree with you that it's not a business, but if it gets any significant amount of attention from the geek squad, it will very quickly feel like one, and you may very quickly wish it was one.  My concerns are not about the implementation details, it's more about DogMan spending every free moment managing how much each person sent in, how much credit they have burned. And don't forget packing, labeling, shipping ... it all takes time and effort. A lot of it.

And there is one implementation detail that no one has mentioned yet. What do you do about lost or damaged shipments? And the credits that got lost or damaged along with it?

I think it is a great idea, but to do it as a volunteer effort could very quickly become overwhelming.

The way I see it there are 2 kinds of problems in this world.  Mine and other peoples.  This one most definitely falls into the latter category.  Unless I start getting an more then the usual number of strip-o-grams at work, then people might start to ask questions. :biggrin:
Guru of Sensitivity.  

The Herf of Havertown.

lowpro75

Also, with regard to valuation, I have no desire to assign value cigars that I am essentially willing to give away, much less try to police the value of cigars that others don't want.  That is why I suggested a simpler system.
Guru of Sensitivity.  

The Herf of Havertown.


   
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